And I love their version of the empanada. :coolsmiley:

ditto that

I think it’s interesting that my grandchildren are colorblind and that they acquired that attitude from their parents. Schools teach nothing but how to pass tests that are state mandated. There is no context today for what happened in the past. It’s shameful actually.

If losers are bad, does that mean that we should take Gen. Custer out of our history books? Perhaps we should never speak of Sitting Bull again? Didn't we lose something like 50,000 American casualties in the battle of Gettysburg?
Just being facetious, but it is my opinion that we leave history alone and use it to learn from it. If statues of slave owners bother some as being embarrassing, then perhaps wearing African colors by those that had ancestors that were sold into slavery by Africans should also be avoided? Just a thought, not attempting to insult anyone.

Can you say beware the military-industrial complex? Dwight D. said it and then people forgot it I say--Beware the all-volunteer Military. It could become mercenary and bite US society into something we would NOT LIKE!

It seems to me that we had a lot to do with rebuilding Germany after the war.

I do not see unions as being any answer today. They had their day, but not anymore.

Sorry hombre, that is a rip-off. Like a "catch 22".

I don’t understand the tie in of not wanting to glorify the past and serving in the armed forces.

Stay tuned. That’s next.

That could? be correct about OUR unions, but THEIR unions ??? I never lived in Germany, but I have read about them. My general statement was for the US to be able to adopt the best parts of European society and infuse it with the best parts of our society. Finland and Sweden have good ideas also. Norway Has have zero incidents of Police killing any citizen in about 10 years.

When you think like a black person could be the answer.

It always amazes me that racists believe the civil war was about states rights. IT was about slavery and the right to own a human being. IT was for the North a fight to save the nation. The South seceding from the United States of America was treason.

No one puts up monuments for losers. They lost, they fought and lost.
Under your notion we should have a statue of Hitler, he lost?
Lets put up a few monuments for the Vietnamize Generals here in America because they lost.
How about we put up monuments for all losers.
Lets give out rings to the losers of professional sports after all they fought bravely to win the title.
Statues of confederate losers are to intimidate black people, pure and simple and it perpetuates hate. Like flying the confederate flag.
The Whitest sport in America NASCAR just banned confederate flags, kudos to them. There is no place to condone support of the confederacy, traders and slave owners. Period.
So yeah, as far as I am concerned Gen Lee had a chance to fight for the right side he choose poorly and he lost, rip down his statue in Gettysburg and promote the winners, blow up the side of Stone Mountain and stop paying homage to losers and traitors.

When you argue for these symbols you are part of the problem and not a good study of history.

Not erasing history
 

Put them in museums or private property for teaching moment and that if you think schools aren’t doing enough we all can pass on the history My mother took me around Boston and told me stories I . knew quite a bit of history before I went to school Traitors to this country should not be honored on there birthday I love ft Bragg I trained and operated many places In the world from there first as a soldier and later as a civilian . There are plenty of American hero’s that the fort could be named for not for a trailer. I can think of many men I knew personality soldier and civilian who died in some of the worst hell holes in the world who would look good up there at the gate way

You cannot and should not try to eradicate history.. but try to learn from it. However changing, removing, and renaming Forts, Bases and Statues etc will not change the divide between north and south, and B & W... you must meet in the middle. The future is what matters

Sorry for your problem but you joined a state national guard and like many of my friends who were lucky enough to get in probably relieved as they were. It got harder and harder as the war went on to get into the guard. I thank you for your service and no disrespect but if you wanted to be a veteran you could have joined , all the services we’re happily accepting

Most people would agree that glorification the confederate flag was and is insensitive and wrong.

I think the earlier post about the relocating statues & other historical public art to a museum or another place where the person’s historical significance can be learned within the broader context of that period would much be better for future generations than destroying them. We risk eradicating future knowledge of the good, along with all of the bad. Future generations may be condemned to relive the past because of their ignorance. They cannot learn from what they do not know. It’s a shame that today’s young so much to learn about human imperfection & sin as well as about peace, forgiveness & respect. It’s easy for all of us to judge past transgressors without even attempting to put ourselves in their shoes.it’s not so easy to recognize our own faults and change ourselves. BTW some black people are far more racist than those the white privilege they condemn. Unfortunately racism and superficial judgment of others who are different is not a unique characteristic exclusive to the white race.

Ironically, the foundational American ideals of respect & justice for all is what many of our historical leaders imperfectly defended, earning them a bronze or marble likeness.

My son lives in the Lake Calhoun region in Minneapolis. A few years ago they changed the name of Lake Calhoun to some Indian name because President Calhoun was a slave trader. Talk about censorship!

Yes, the Nazis had the Hitler Youth and the Soviets had Komsomol that indoctrinated the young people in what was right and just.

In many places, the South tends to cling to glorified representations of the civil war seemingly without consideration to the continuing negativity & pain slavery has actually caused but the ownership & oppression of others wasn’t uniquely perpetrated by male white colonial Americans. But we are condoning & perpetuating a falsely myopic perspective of human history now. Slaves historically were not always black. Jews & some Eastern Europeans come to mind as well as historically indentured or oppressed women and children. It’s too easy to focus on one situation and ignore the bigger picture.

Imagine if there were prolific public art or statues paying homage to England’s King George or to Spain or Mexico in locales that they previously owned and ruled before they lost them in wars or by purchases pre-America.

Truthfully, much of the South’s public art symbolism is weird & offensive to me, kind of like “the last great act of defiance!”

Do we know what the Cherokee Trail of Tears was? Do we actively rectify the perpetual—sometimes violent—oppression of women?

Why do the rioters violently destroy other’s property, with reckless disregard for others safety, yet they are ironically supposed to be protesting oppressive unjust violence.

Apparently students aren't learning much about history. See the videos below.
It's really unbelievable that these people are so dumb.
If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

Talking with Millennials - YouTube
Some Americans are ignorant and proud (S1E90) How much History do they know? - YouTube

Our educational system is top notch! We rank 14th in the world, if I was an educator I'd go hide in a cave.

Interesting. Maybe we should have Federal Laws to mandate what is permissible and what is not when expressing 1st Amendment Rights. We need to know exactly what we are allowed to have in our parks. The other day, I passed a pond in The Villages where I could only see white birds, and not one brown one. Shame on them, not being inclusive.
I remember when AG Lynch wanted to have a law against "hate speech" so that if one didn't like what another was saying, they could be arrested for "hate speech." Can't wait to see what new "ideas" the PC culture comes up with next. This is exciting, isn't it?

Totem poles must be eliminated, ASAP!

Confederate Soldiers/Sailors are US Veterans by 1958 Act of Congress!
 

By act of Congress in 1958 all soldiers/sailors who were members of The Confederacy are US Veterans and enjoy the same status as all members of the US Military throughout history!

True story: When my son was in college he was required to go to a tiny local history museum. He needed a ride so I went with him while visiting. He had been raised with good morals & ethics, an honor student in the public schools. There was a little exhibit on the historical contributions of American women which showed inventions, Rosie the riveter, and the hard work & sacrifices of raising babies on the farm, etc. My son turns to me—his Mom—and says, “why did they waste space on this? Women have contributed very little. They should have a real history exhibit, like one about the wars.” I nearly collapsed. He is a caring, respectful (but obviously privileged) young man who did not even recognize how disrespectful, hurtful and wrong his indoctrination was. He explained that his history classes had focused exclusively on important events, especially on wars, because they had been such pivotal events in history. (Insert sad sigh here) I knew he was being accurate & honest but it was still painful to me. We went home & watched “What Women Want” with Mel Gibson for insightful humor.

Our kids’ elementary school tried to teach inclusion for kids with disabilities. Each able-bodied student took on a physical disability for a week then wrote a paper about the hardships & other surprises they encountered. It was transformative and reduced the bullying of disabled kids.

In a very similar way, it’s a shame we don’t better educate policemen about the way they are perceived. Training could let them become compassionate after seeing what it is like for awhile.

History shouldn’t be a tribute to atrocities and bad actors but we need to learn from them. What if we expressed gratitude that we have evolved past those awful times? A living history museum provides a detailed reminder that none of us who is living now can really understand what life was like back in the day so we should be reluctant to judge.

Negativity and destruction won’t incubate positive, lasting change. That’s why leaders like Martin Luther King and Billy Graham are so respected & revered. They got it. Positive change must come peaceably to last.

Newsflash: That was the outcome of the Civil War. ONE United States of America.

Lets ask all the parents who, out of necessity and not choice, have HAD to "home-school" for the last 3 months if they are anxious to keep up that responsibility in the fall. Home schooling falls short of a comprehensive education in so many ways it is deleterious to children. Give public school teachers the credit and respect they deserve.

Token Reparations and Reservations are nothing to joke about. Did you know that white men forcibly took native children away from their mothers & families to “re-educate” (read that: indoctrinate) them in “civilized culture.” Sounds a lot like an earlier version of the present Muslim re-education by the Chinese, doesn’t it? That way the native children would not be taught their rightful cultural legacy and would be taught European customs , values and English.

Xinjiang re-education camps - Wikipedia

Once American history is scrubbed, our progeny may not even realize how redundant their errors will be.

This is off-topic for this thread.

But thankfully American parents are responsible for raising their children, it does not require a village’s consensus. BTW I am grateful to all of our educators. They are very under appreciated but not infallible. ‘One size fits all’ doesn’t work well for clothing nor for education.

...I have many other solution-like to look at Europe for their better social solution. Like strong unions in Germany yet little strife between unions and managemen/owners. Germany makes better automobiles than the US. Why not give them some credit and mimic that which they do right. Their is to much ethno-centricity and jingoism clouding our eyes. .....sermon over, thank you.[/QUOTE]

If Europe and Germany are so superior, why waste your time & resources in America?

yes by all means let the state decide what your children should know and think and some day report their parents for improper thinking

Any and all references to suppression of anybody is indeed a part of our history and thereby belongs in historical museums and history books. It’s a tragedy to see these things damaged or destroyed when the municipalities could have removed them and used them for educational purposes. Remember the Confederates lost and for good reason.

Thank you!

I've said the same things...for a long time.

Keep those monuments and statues (even though most of them were erected decades after the Civil War, to try and intimidate blacks) and put them in a location where every school can make field trips...and students can be told the truth of why they exist. :thumbup:

The colonist were traitors as well,just ask King George, at the time of the civil war states rights were a very big thing, reading the contemporary literature I find it hard to imagine any state would have joined the union if they thought it could not leave it , i am certainly not saying slavery was in any way acceptable but putting in context. It was a matter of time before slavery fell of its own weight depending just how long it might have been better that way considering the cost

That was an excellent and thought piece he wrote. He should be a leader of the black community.

Yeah, that's the answer.

Make sure children don't have the opportunity to be exposed to a variety of viewpoints and history that maybe the parent(s)...don't want to acknowledge.

It's been known forever, that if you want to brainwash someone, start when they're young...and minimize the input they receive.

That should work out real well...for future generations. :oops:

Isn’t it stunning that Europe also had African slaves yet there is rarely any mention of the pervasiveness of it internationally. Their shared history is the basis for the recent solidarity protests abroad. Slavery was not exclusively a white Colonial American phenomenon yet white Americans believe we alone carry the guilt. Oppression and prejudice is real but it is not only dealt to blacks. The strife will only end when we all have respect for the sanctity and dignity of all human life. No one is more valuable than another. The violent destruction of statues and looting of commercial enterprises certainly won’t cause LESS prejudice.

The US is rated 14th in the world for education, doesn't sound very comprehensive to me. Friends of ours have 6 children, all home schooled. The oldest girl was accepted to college but declined to start her own business and has done very well. The oldest boy has a scholarship for college and starts this year. The rest of the kids have excellent grades as they are monitored by the state. They have like age friends in their neighborhood so they are experiencing socializing with other children.

And that is exactly what the public school systems in the US are doing, brainwashing and indoctrinating young minds with left wing ideology. You just don't want to recognize it.

Here's the result of that "education"

Social Justice Warriors’ Deface Statues Of Actual Social Justice Warriors

While self-proclaimed antifascists deface literal antifascists, monuments paying tribute to another group of legacy leaders have fallen victim to the demise of “social justice warriors” purging the nation’s history in an ironic twist: civil rights heroes.

'Social Justice Warriors' Deface Statues Of Literal Social Justice Warriors