The Confederacy lost. The south lost. The Confederate army, led by generals of the southern states, lost, because those generals failed.

I never understood, and still can't understand, why ANYONE would want to display them prominently in a municipality-owned or state-owned or federal-government-owned park. UNLESS they're all lined up with a big sign at each end proclaiming it the Path of Shame.

LOL :1rotfl:

Just the fact that public students will have been exposed to at least 12 different teachers and around 400 other students, all who have their own experiences, by the time they graduate, versus 1 or 2 people who only have their own viewpoints/bias'/prejudices to pass on and drill into them...shows how silly (and dangerous) you're argument really is. :ohdear:

Here's why they were built.

Confederate Monuments (click here)

And they were so desperate to intimidate blacks, they just grabbed any old general they could find...regardless of how inept they were in the war. :1rotfl:

Slow the boat, you are going too fast. What is happening is not the eridication of history. They are not taking down statues of American heroes and presidents. Hitler, Castro, Stalin did not go in and remove statues of former traitors.

Now onto your argument about COPS and LivePD. Not sure that should be a major concern. In fact, I think LivePD has not been cancelled. COPS has lived a long life and had already dwindled in popularity enough that it has been airing new episodes on Paramount Network.

History is safe; books are safe. The ironic thing is much of published history has been polished to various leanings. Do you really think George Washington chopped down a cherry tree?

Cherry Tree Myth * George Washington's Mount Vernon

Pure liberal media endorsed
 

Liberal Media is pushing this agenda. Anything to destroy our once proud country. Wonder how they would react if we destroyed black history & monuments.

The only ones benefiting are not black or white but non law abiding. Americans.

Apparently you missed post #126 above

'Social Justice Warriors' Deface Statues Of Literal Social Justice Warriors

abolitionist Matthias Baldwin

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Lincoln Statue in London

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Anything can be next; too many people nowadays are so scared they might offend someone if they don’t BOW DOWN to their idiotic, senseless demands.

Defund the Police? Really damn stupid idea. Disband Police departments? Really damn stupid idea also.

It may be best if you do a bit more research in your position. This is a debunked interpretation. Think about it - If this was true, it would be a black eye to every US veteran who served our country honorably.

FACT CHECK: Did Congress Designate Confederate Soldiers as United States Veterans?

Our once proud country was built on the backs of slaves. The agenda is to stop glorifying the people who LOST the war. They lost. You don't want a statue of George Floyd in the town square do you? Why not? Because he LOST. He lost as a member of an oppressed minority, he lost as a man who disobeyed the law several times and was punished for some of it, he lost as a human being when he was murdered by a (currently ex-) cop.

So then what's your problem with tearing down statues of other people who lost? Having lost the Civil War is nothing to be proud of, if you're a Southerner or a "conservative." Your side lost.

Forget about Columbus because as mentioned - he never got into the competition in the first place. His "discovery" of the Americas did not extend to North America, at all. On none of his trips (he took more than one).

Ok...but the main discussion is the removal of statues of Confederate soldiers and the naming of US military bases after Confederates who tried to secede from the US. And yes...I have since heard Live PD was cancelled.

Since we are talking about tearing down statues, this was at a "protest" in Virginia.
George Floyd protesters: Virginia demonstrator critically injured after being hit by toppled Confederate statue | Newshub

Too bad!

Man struck in head by toppling Confederate statue in Portsmouth, Virginia. - YouTube

I saw a video that had some foul language and would have been deleted. Fun to watch though, again and again and again.........
Steve

Our public educators are doing a poor job. Far too much time is spent conditioning our children into being PC and pushing leftist ideologies rather than truly educating them.

U.S. academic achievement lags that of many other countries | Pew Research Center

Agree.
 

I agree with your assessment when you point out the need for us to respect all human lives. You point out that slavery was not exclusive to white Colonial America. When you point to Europe and only include Africans I don't think it goes far enough. Over thousands of years slavery was (although wrong imo.) common in many if not most cultures. And all slaves did not come from Africa. There were slaves from all parts of the world being sold and sent to all parts of the world. I'm not trying to justify it for, imo it can never be justified.
The phrase that prompted me to respond was "carry the guilt". Since my family, like millions of others, emigrated from various parts of Europe, Scandinavia to Canada and the US to avoid oppression and poverty long after slavery had ended, having never approved of or supported it, why is there this intense and insistent attempt to lay blame and guilt for it on all whites? We all know wrongs have been done,. We now need to quit the shouting and finger pointing, for that behavior only slows our progress toward a country and a world where all are welcome, respected and appreciated.

Not even close. They did not betray us. Why would we want statues honoring people who betrayed us? They are not our heroes. They attacked our great country.

Maybe just Participation Trophies...

That is completely different! The South were our brothers and they turned on us. We don't want to remove their statues because of slavery--it's because they were losing traitors. And, now, the statues are there to intimidate black people. Statues of the earliest Americans aren't there to intimidate anyone. They were a noble people who fought to defend their land. They didn't betray us.

I think many people think some of that stuff should go in museums as a reminder of our darkest hours.

Can you name even one person who thinks that's a good idea? Just one?

Nobody is arguing for destroying history. They just don't want statues of traitors in a place of honor.

%*&

But, they didn't betray us. Can you not see the difference?

Slavery was not the horror some make it to be. In fact after emancipation many slaves chose to stay with their masters. These slaves were sold from tribes in Africa to slave traders and had no skills to succeed in their new home in America. Plantation life provided an extended family that provided for economic and social needs of the slaves. Some slave owners like some parents were neglectful but that does not reflect on the whole institution of slavery which was a necessary transition phase to freedom. How fortunate are today’s blacks that were brought to this country that fought a civil war for their freedom instead of living through the genocide in their African homeland. Today many blacks such as Ben Carson contribute greatly to society thanks to the transition phase of slavery.

As long as they don’t pull Amos ‘N Andy 😃

Wow!

In Europe in olden times, slavery was a way of life, and the slaves were your own people. Masters were instructed to be kind to their slaves. But with time it was found that hiring servants was a better and fairer way.

Exactly..."WOW." :oops:


Maybe we just missed all of those historical books, or comments in said books, from actual slaves...about how slavery wasn't all that bad? :ohdear:

Excellent observation, where is history from the slaves point of view?

How are statues of losing traitors intimidating black people?

PS Native Americans had slaves long before Europeans arrived. Were their slaves the wrong color?

Just the thought of someone trying to justify the 'owning of other human beings,' with the primary difference between them and a set of golf clubs is that the slaves had to be fed...is beyond revolting. barf

And yet, the basis and foundation of this country's wealth and power, came off of the backs of basically...free black slave labor. :ohdear:

Lets not consider the industrial revolution at all. Before that we only supplied raw materials to other countries factories.

Revisionist history, only works on those who don't want to know (or find out)...the truth. :ohdear:

Slavery and Capitalism (poke here)

If not for slavery there would be no African Americans here today. Captured and sold by their own and sent to America. So sad, but that is the way life was. It is history.

We still have slavery to free things.

Tell your grandkids to be very careful what they post on social media. It may come back to bite them. I was told that a girl wrote something offensive about a race when she was 15 yrs old. This year she was accepted to the college of her choice. Last week she was informed that they were pulling her acceptance. Somehow they discovered what she posted on social media 2 yrs ago. Hard to believe, but true. I am not saying what she posted was acceptable, just sending a warning.