There are other people who think this way. Bill Gates, the guy who wants us all to take the vaccine when it comes out also wants to lower the population of the earth to half a billion people. There’s a little over 7.8 billion people right now, which means the man who wants to save our lives also wants to eliminate 7.3 billion of us. Isn’t that odd? Not to worry, I’m pretty certain that in a couple of years we’re going to start seeing a drastic population reduction. Hope you’re prepared for it, chances are you and I are not going to be part of the half a billion.

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Please explain your post, and if able, offer evidence of your position.

Except - I just found this article that says a vaccine was ready by the time the 57 flu hit the US or we would have had MANY more deaths. Interesting - check it out.

Early Detection of the 1957 Flu Pandemic Helped Slow Its Spread - HISTORY

and another article estimating the death toll could have been over 1,000,000 had the vaccine not been ready-

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1957
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Maurice Hilleman and his colleagues at WRAIR identified a new influenza A virus, Type A2, Asian influenza, that caused a pandemic.

Hilleman noticed news reports of a severe influenza in Hong Kong. The number of cases and their description led him to think that a new type of influenza was emerging and that a pandemic threatened.

Hilleman and his team obtained a sample of the virus from a U.S. serviceman. They soon determined that most people lacked antibody protection from the new influenza virus. Only a few elderly people who had survived the influenza pandemic of 1889-1890 showed antibody response to the new virus.

Hilleman jump-started vaccine production by sending virus samples to manufacturers and urging them to develop the vaccine in four months. Worldwide, from 1957-1958, about 2 million people died from Asian flu, with about 70,000 deaths in the United States. Some predicted that the U.S. death toll would have reached 1 million without the vaccine that Hilleman called for. Health officials widely credited that vaccine with saving many lives.

That’s a fact that debunks this OP,s thread. Why do some want this Covid 19 to be downplayed. Covid is in its early stages and is already far more deadly than the 1957 flu. If this Covid would have been taken seriously in Mar, maybe, but under the current handling, it is a disaster.

Ohiobuckeye
 

I hear what you’re saying but if the people that had the flu wouldn’t or couldn’t go out & throwing up every which stitch & the people that my have Covid19 may not know they have it but may or will give it to people that may react to it differently. Just me but I would rather get the flu & be throwing up for a couple of days than being quarantined for 10 to 14 days or worse. COVID 19 been here for 6 to 7 months, flu last a month, maybe 2 months. I was 10 yrs. old in 57 & had the flu but I was fortunate & was only out of school for 1 week because I had the stomach flu & the Hershey Squirts! But you are right, but remember we didn’t have the medicines we have now. Wear a mask & keep your distant.

Most of the threads I start are based on scientists and scientific papers. "here's what this Nobel Prize winner is saying, here's what these highly cited epidemiologists are saying." I find most people do not understand or even read the links provided. so sometimes I will link a news article about the science if it correctly summarizes the main points. Of course I hope the science that shows herd immunity threshold is much lower than previously thought because that means this will be over sooner rather than later. You would think everyone would want that! I have never called this virus a hoax and am probably more careful than 90% of commenters here.

Your MSN news feed is full of garbage. Facts and stats are manipulated, opinion poses as news. Most of it is panic porn.

Yes covid 19 kills a lot of older people. 80% of deaths are over 65. But more than 50% of those deaths occur in nursing homes. Average time from entering nursing home to death is 12 months, WHEN THERE IS NO PANDEMIC.

As for harming a lot of young people, it's just not true. Look at the CDC stats by age group in link below.

So far 36 kids 14 and under have died from covid 19. All of them had preexisting health problems. So far this year 205 kids 14 and under have died from pneumonia. According to CDC more people 44 and less have died from pneumonia this year than from covid 19.

Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age, and State | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

My first memory of a pandemic in this country was the Hong Kong Flu of 1968. My mother was sick in bed for days and days, and I had to call an ambulance to take my grandfather to the hospital where he recovered but was never the same healthwise. These people were really sick. That flu really took a toll on the elderly. But this covid-19 virus is the scariest I have ever seen.

1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

The garden-variety flu virus does not leave after effects that last as long as a person lives. A person's lungs will never be the same. One should listen to the medical experts more often. It would be better and safer than keeping one's head in the sand.

Originally Posted by graciegirl View Post
According to this the 1957 Asian Flu killed between 70,000 and 115,000 people in the U.S. This is a very good accounting of how they developed the vaccine. Covid-19 as of yesterday had killed 148,000 Americans.


LOL I will take the CDC number of 116,000 as fact over a history.com link

In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Note in 1957....

We, as a country, were actually communicating with others in the world.

We had a plan in place, which was put into place as soon as we became aware. As in January of 2020.

To my knowledge, our country still does not have a plan....we were told one was being "worked on"

Did you miss this part in my OP?

Balloux estimates total deaths for USA will be 220,000, we are at 148,462 today.

Herd immunity is a "happy talk" joke played on the US, that is about downplaying the severity of CV, which has and will KILL thousands in the US - as it has been proven in Sweden. It is pushed by one or 2 cable channels that specialize in propaganda and Soviet style indoctination. Also a few radio hosts.
Hundreds of REAL medical scientists and Doctors (the best in America) have signed a letter telling politicians to go back to "shut-down"mode. People can either believe these professionals or they can put their heads in the sand - listen to "happy talk" and the "down-pllayers". If you listen to the "down-players", then you and your friends have a chance of DYING. If you listen to the Professionals you have a good chance of LIVING. I choose living, just like I choose to snap my seat belt on when I drive. So, like me, YOU must choose. Think and choose wisely! Also ask yourself, "What is the motivation behind the "down-players"?????

Good life, I have read your very detailed message twice and have reached the conclusion that you do not think the current worldwide panic and pandemic is actually as bad as it's being reported.

If I have misinterpreted what you were trying to say I extend my apology in advance and suggest you do not read any further.

If I'm correct, then I would suggest you just leave your house - go to the bars - go to the restaurants - don't wear a mask - don't take any precautionary measures and just say the hell with it.

In addition, please make sure that you DO NOT FOLLOW any of the precautions that I am going to state below;

Remember you should always wear a mask.

I would rather wear a mask now then a respirator later.

Remember correct social distancing -- 6 feet BACK or you could windup 6 feet UNDER.

Doing everything in your power to end COVID-19 is not a choice it is a NECESSITY!!!

It is time to stop the reopening of schools while we are in the middle of a pandemic. Children can die from COVID-19.

What about the exposure to the teachers - especially the older teachers.

This is the battle you should all be undertaking NOW!!! Public demonstrations need to start immediately.

PS -- don't tell Roxanne

I rest my case with this prime example of not understanding or reading scientific links posted previously in the thread. :) Not even capable of understanding a graph which shows unmistakable evidence of low herd immunity thresholds.

I wonder what is the motivation of the "up players?"

For the 1000th time. I am more careful than 90% of commenters here. Don't need or use a mask because I do not enter any buildings except home, and stay 20 feet or more from others when outside. Of course I think covid 19 is bad, mostly for the old or unhealthy. I think the panic and response with lockdowns for everybody was overdone. The media boosts the panic because most of them do not want the economy to recover "too soon" We would probably be over this already if we had just told the old and the unhealthy to stay home and let the young and healthy keep working and achieve herd immunity faster.

36 kids 14 and under have died from covid 19 in the USA. Pneumonia kills more people under 44 than covid 19. See CDC link previously posted.

Sweden kept schools open and had ZERO deaths in 19 and under age group. They had covid positives in 53 per 100,000 teachers and could not say if those teachers were infected while working or while having coffee or dinner at their open restaurants and bars.

True that! Great informative and personal opinion.

Well said and spot on.

I call BS on the fact that the world economy is not crushed, only the US. Europe, especially Germany is back thriving! As is Japan, New Zealand, S.Korea, Australia and our neighbor Canada. WE are the ones that missed the boat. Incidentally on a per capita basis, ready for it ? - Florida is the #1 worse CV cases and deaths in the WORLD. Let THAT sink in!

I totally agree Mr Lion. You go big cat. You are roaring out the truth!!!!!!!

It was called the Asian Flu

EXCELLENT POST, sir.

You ARE spot on!!!! The population growth problem UNDERLIES all US and world problems. It causes Global Warming. It causes starvation in the Muslim middle east and Northern Africa, whose people migrate northward and have caused problems for a stable Germany and other northern European countries. It promotes PLAGUES like our current CV plague! The US faces the problems of illegal alien migration caused by overpopulation. - A.I. and Robotics could cause future permanent unemployment of 30%. Society is going to be in turmoil for the foreseeable future.

I will remember this Florida prediction and get back about that in 2 or 3 weeks.

I was thinking that myself. I am sssooo glad that someone had the goob-smackers to write it.

There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE.

You forgot to mention one thing, we knew it was coming and already had a vaccine ready when it got to the US shores.

True about, " not calling CV a hoax". Kudos. True about nursing homes being a area that spreads CV and needs special attention. Children are more "spreaders" than they are victims of CV. That much is true of ALL statements made today. Keep up the sterling work.

Roger that, Townee.

First, we could have taken this seriously as early as late January, certainly early February when our intelligence community was doing so. Actually WHO had sent out the first, that i know of, reports to all members through the world as early as January 10.

Why down play it ?

You must understand the differences between 1957 and this year. In 1957, despite the many philosophical differences throughout the world, medicine was never made anything other than a threat to human beings. It had not much impact on P motives or aspirations. Scientists throughout the world talked to each other and shared information with no interference.

Today, and throughout this pandemic, we have failed on every level. Heads of state(s) deciding to interfere with real scientific data, research and suggestions for whatever reason.

This Corona virus has been full of overtones from the beginnings.

I offer a suggestion to try to THINKGLOBALHEALTH for information, and lots of pics addressing the who, what, where and when of this and other pandemics. I am not supplying the link since it "may" inadvertently take you to a page not allowed on here although that is NOT the nature of the site

I admitt to being old and feeble! Too old to read graphs (like comparing US cases and deaths to European countries). I can BARELY see the graphs with my 20-1000 vision. So I just listen to old audio tapes by Dr. Spock on Star Trek.

So many posters here with their own agenda. And a lot of misinformation. Herd immunity is not real?? It's a long standing medical science fact that diseases tend to die out when herd immunity is reached. Hundreds of "medical professionals" want the country shut down again?? Well about 125 people with a connection to medicine did ask that. Dr. Fauci, in response said that would be a mistake.

The facts have no agenda, they are just the facts. The OP is a good researcher and has presented well thought out posts. Stop with the criticism already. If you don't agree, post research to back up your point, not opinion.

The OP has NEVER said the virus is fake, a ruse, nor said anything about not wearing masks. To the contrary, he has been very consistent in his views about this virus, that it is deadly and we should take common sense precautions like wearing masks and social distancing. What the OP HAS said and posted are data points regarding the true state of this virus.

I had the Asian Flu in 1957 and was hospitalized for 5 days because I couldn't shake my 104 degree fever. Sickest I've ever been in my life.

I take this disease seriously and wear a mask when in stores or crowds (which I avoid), carry sanitizer wherever I go, and wash my hands when I come back from a store. But I will not let this virus prevent me from living life.

March is when the earliest cases were recognized in U.S. Before that was confusion world wide as to what exactly was happening. It was in February when people sickened and began to die in droves in Italy.

I think that not only public health but valid expert doctors and researchers in hospitals in the U.S. should be part of a team of experts that guide us. People do not have to work for the government to be expert on vaccines and communicable diseases. At the time of the Ebola outbreak, The U.S. went without a surgeon general for the better part of two years. It was Vanderbilt's physicians that guided us in the Ebola outbreak. Some members of the staff died in a hospital in Texas before that happened. It is unrealistic to blame people now when no one could have known how bad this would be.

Oh my, the sky is falling!
Everyone has an opinion. One person on here is decent enough to give us REAL stats so that the rest of us do not need to speculate, and his motive is questioned.
In my opinion, he is merely providing information so that it will put many minds at ease as to exactly how much one needs to worry. In my opinion, you do what you feel you need to do to protect you and yours, and quit worrying what everyone else is doing. Just because one person has an opinion, does not mean that your opinion needs to demand that others conform to your standards. Best way to avoid the virus (in my opinion) is to stay home and accept no visitors. If you wander around in public, it is ONLY your fault if you become infected, not anyone else's that you feel is not protecting you enough.
I enjoy the OP's sharing of his information. I look forward to it. If you do not agree with it, then provide your own counter information.
Personally, I want three facts which will make it very easy to modify my current lifestyle.
I want to know how many COVID 19 hospitalizations in the Sumter Co. portion of the Villages.
I want to know how many related deaths that were CAUSED by COVID 19 in the Villages portion of the Villages.
I want to know how many of the hospitalizations have survived and have been released.

The number of positive tests for infection means nothing unless you test everyone in an area on the same day. EVERYONE. Testing a hundred one day and a thousand on another day and saying that there were more testing positive on the second day is not even scientific.

I believe that this virus has been around a lot longer than just since March. I believe it has been around at least since sometime last year and no one has realized it until this year. Since most folks that die from it have some other health issues, I believe that many have died from it and it was deemed death by the chronic condition. This is my opinion, and I will predict that when this is all over and more investigation is done, we will find out that the reason it is so widespread in such a short period of time, is that it was already here. Just my speculation, of course.

It is also my opinion that mass hysteria helps no one. I am not suggesting that anyone ignore the world situation, but running amok and crying that the sky is falling is not going to make you any healthier or prevent the outcome one bit. However, you may end up with stress related illness.

I totally agree with you!!

This one is far worse and the 1957 swine flu was terrible
 

Thanks :coolsmiley::coolsmiley:

Yet another study showing T cell immunity in large percentage of population, this is the 4th one I have seen confirming this, all in different parts of the world.

Singapore scientists uncover SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in recovered COVID-19 and SARS patients, and in uninfected individuals.

Singapore study shows that SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells are present in all recovered COVID-19 patients.

These T cells were also found in all subjects who recovered from SARS 17 years ago, and in over 50% of both SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 uninfected individuals tested, suggesting that a level of pre-existing SARS-CoV-2 immunity is present in the general population.

Infection and exposure to coronaviruses induces long-lasting memory T cells, which could help in the management of the virus.

Scientists Uncover Evidence That a Level of Pre-Existing COVID-19 / SARS-CoV-2 Immunity Is Present in the General Population

So when you add up the large number of untested asymptomatics out there and even larger number of T cell immunes, you get a herd immunity threshold that is much lower - after the virus picks off the easy targets and infects a fairly small percentage of people, it loses steam and burns out. Just like in New York or Sweden.

Ther is a reported case in Dec.

Not trying to place blame.

I simply know the US intelligence was discussing a possible serious problem in January. I know that WHO was sending package on infection and control in early January. I know the US government found the threat to be serious enough to put a ban on China Travel. So, from my perspective our country was aware of a potentially serious problem at minimum in late January. Facts is, on January 21, WHO said that the international threat was high. We were told it was no threat to our country.

On, I think Feb 24 or so, the stock market sunk on fears of the pandemic. We were told all was ok.

Would earlier intervention and following scientific advice at that early stage meant anything. I sure don't know, but seeing a thread comparing 1957 to this situation requires we notice the difference in response.

I am in no position to place blame, if there is blame to be placed.

Did you miss the part where this comparison is based on an estimate of 220,000 eventual deaths from covid 19? Not the 149000 we have as of today?

As far as "far from over", nobody knows for sure. It may burn out and go away or it may come back as an endemic type virus. I am working on a post discussing this. Nobody knows for sure.

And now for a musical interlude;

The Police - Too Much Information HD - YouTube

Steve