I don't know where you got that CDC number, but at this time there are over 140,000 deaths and over 4,000,000 confirmed cases. That makes the mortality rate at least 3.5% - not .65%. It's easy math 140,000 / 4,000,000. Besides the flu doesn't invade your brain, your blood system and other organs as the NYC pathologists have seen in their autopsies. So the coronavirus is helluva lot more dangerous than the flu - notwithstanding that we don't know what long-term effects will occur in people who were seriously sick and survived.

What do you mean by "difference in response"? Was a vaccine available in January of 2020? Is one available now, anywhere in the world? That seems to be the "difference" from the response in 1957.

Much as some people seem to want to make this both political and a US-only issue, it's been a worldwide virus. There are stories out of Europe over the past few days warning of upticks in new virus numbers there.

Coronavirus: Spain drives fears of European 'second wave' - BBC News

I just looked at a COVID-19 chart by country, including the death rate. The US is 43rd out of the top 50 countries with its death rate by percentage. NO DEATH from this is acceptable. But the US is at 3.58%, lower than:

The UK
Belgium
France
Italy
Hungary
The Netherlands
Spain
Sweden
Ireland
Switzerland
Slovenia
Romania
Denmark
Finland
Germany
Lithuania
Poland

There's many more countries that I didn't list - the list above is the ones from Europe who have a higher death rate than the US.

• COVID-19 mortality rate by country | Statista

The WH corona virus task force was formed on January 29, providing information and guidelines for US residents.

I'm not here to say the president nor anyone else (experts included) have been perfect, in retrospect. But for anyone to suggest nothing was going on in government and it was all fun and games is intellectually dishonest, at best.

All of this is just a moot point until it is someone that you know that gets the virus and dies from it. Then the numbers really don't matter.

How many times do I have to repeat this? The CDC's current Infection Fatality Rate is 0.65%

Why? Because like any sane person should know by now, confirmed cases by tests do not represent the true number of people that have been infected. There are millions of asymptomatic cases out there, they are not tested because they do not get sick at all or have very mild symptoms. Here in Florida, we are starting to uncover more and more of these asymptomatic cases because we are testing 100,000 per day and many of them are not sick but require a test to go back to work.

COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios | CDC

Despite the media scare stories, Florida hospitals are not being overrun with covid cases and report as of today 25% available hospital beds and 18% available ICU rooms. Even the most infected counties like Broward or Miami Dade show 10% ICU availability. Only 15% of occupied beds are actually covid patients. The rest are normal surgeries etc. These are normal occupancy rates even when there is no pandemic.

Workbook':' Public

Median age of Florida new cases has been 41 for past two weeks, people of this age rarely die or even need hospitalization from covid 19 unless they have underlying health problems like obesity, diabetes, hypertension.

According to CDC more people 44 and under have died from pneumonia this year than from covid 19

Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age, and State | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

The flu is not he same as Covid19, it is not as contagious and not as deadly. Glad you were tough, try Covid and see.

Larry Kudlow said this on national TV!!!! It must be true!!!! What he is trying to say is WE GOT THIS UNDER CONTROL!!!

SEE BELOW;

“I don’t deny that some of these hotspot states are going to moderate that recovery, but, on the whole, the picture is very positive, and I still think the V-shaped recovery is in place,” White House chief economic adviser Larry Kudlow told CNN host Jake Tapper on “State of the Nation” on Sunday

I do know enough to NOT eat Bats, bird Shyt nest soup, animals around the lab?. Yep, maybe they did accidently or intentionally release the virus? But, one thing that can't be denied it came from China probably 90 precent of the rest of viruses in last 30 years?

I can’t get over people taking comfort by saying there was something worse so this is ok.
It’s like a drunk sitting at the bar spilling his drink and running his mouth. When the guy next to him passed out and fall of his bar stool. And the first guy says if I ever get that bad I’ll do something about my drinking.

Or maybe because there was no internet, there was no cable TV, there was no 24hr news, no satellite communications, no TOTV and most people had no idea of the scope of what was happening?

:ohdear:

Thank you for posting this ....very interesting

I find it interesting that if one suggests that folks should not panic, not become hysterical and unhinged over something that they have no control over, then they are automatically declared "deniers." I have seen NO posts declaring this pandemic or the virus a hoax, yet if you do not run amok screaming "the sky is falling" you are accused of saying it is a "hoax."
One poster is patient enough and willing to invest his time doing some research and sharing it with us, and others that don't have a clue decide that he is making little of a national emergency.
How anyone of these hysterical Betties lived through the measles, mumps and polio one can only guess. I bet if some were old enough to understand what was going on during the stock market crash during the depression, they would have been one of those that jumped out of windows.
No one has been attempting to make "little" of the pandemic. All the posts are merely suggesting that we have lived through this type of stuff before and we are strong enough to live through it again. I have not seen any suggestions that you should run naked through Walmart with out a care in the world, or have a neighborhood BBQ at your home. The OP even suggested that he is more diligent in protecting himself than most other folks on here.
Isn't it amusing that some on here seem to one-up the next on how panic stricken we should be? Then there are others that seek to calm the mass hysteria and get chastised for it.

Remember, this is an election year and this plus BLM protests is a great tool to garner voter support when record and policies are not enough to move the scale. All this will be pass'e next year.

Am I being overly nonchalant during a crisis? Maybe I just try not to lose my mind when a predicament occurs that I have no control over, so I consider a positive result rather than expect the end of the world. Remember, an illness will have it easier to attack a stressed body than a calm, healthy body.

When someone suggests that you calm down, it does not mean for you to disregard the reality of the situation. It just means that you should attempt to reason coherently, not irrationally due to exigent circumstances beyond your control. Doctors and your Gov. officials are not always right. To misuse President Reagan's quote "trust but verify" which I believe he borrowed from an old Russian saying.

from my perspective....

....Nobody should be getting their data or taking suggestions that are posted on this site.

....And still Representatives and Senators in various states continually call this entire thing a hoax. (see Arkansas and Texas as examples.

....People die thinking until their last breath that it was a hoax (a number of sad stories about Covid parties)

So where does one go for advice.......government.....

....as recently as March of this year as companies were shutting down, our government said that it was NOT their responsibility.....actual quote is available.

.....Medical advisors.....Gov in Florida has put aside his medical advisors replaced by business advisors.

.....A number of folks, NOT medical people are straight forward in saying they want to discredit the world leader in this field (Dr F) so that locks that door


Everyone is looking for clarity and one trusted message.

Your advice ???......I think many on here are practicing safe habits and looking for some good news, but not from a forum......

Just my take on it

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LOL A "take" without a single cite to back it up. I have cited the CDC in this thread several times to correct false comments made by many.

Purpose of this thread was simply to show that some previous outbreaks of the flu caused equal amounts of death and sickness as covid 19 and were not accompanied by the panic and economic chaos we see today.

Quiz time: Who said this?

“The overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza"

:agree:

Actually over the last 2,000 years, at least two Black Death plagues, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Hong Flu, Asian Flu, Sars, etc.

Answer: Both Anthony Fauci AND Robert Redfield on March 26th in a New England Journal of Medicine editorial.

Here is an eyewitness account by someone who was in college in 1957 and got sick with the flu.

Remembering the 1957 Asian Flu Pandemic

And here is front page of New York Times during the height of the first wave of 57 flu. Sputnik and Jimmy Hoffa's election as Teamster's head were bigger stories than the flu. No big panic like today

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Correct, you get a star :)

Like you have said in multiple posts over and over (paraphrasing) "how many times does something need to be restated."

Of course what you are selectively picking are quotes from a full 4 months ago to fit your agenda which is like the beginning of history WRT this situation. As time moves on one would HOPE that things would be learned and opinions updated from new SCIENCE and practices. One would hope that procedures and understanding would change because of what has been learned. If you want to keep looking BACKWARDS in time quoting people's quotes that have little bearing on TODAY (or ever) I could post a bunch from famous people but it would probably get me banned for breaking the no politics rules.

Oh, I'd bet Anthony Fauci AND Robert Redfield DON'T say that anymore.

In 1957 we had a media that was honest and leaders that loved our country.

First of all, I did not produce this comparison of 57 flu to coronavirus, a scientist named Balloux did, the same scientist who sequenced the coronavirus genome.

The facts speak for themselves, the fatality rates for the two diseases are virtually the same (0.65% and 0.67%) and the deaths per million are also very close. The 57 flu killed far more people per capita worldwide than covid 19 has so far (383 vs 84 per million) So the statement by Fauci and Redfield is a viable description, coronavirus is similar to a severe seasonal influenza.

Do you get your news from Facebook?

After your post I looked this up. And indeed the death rates are about the same. The BIG difference is that we have were shut down for weeks, some have been social distancing and wearing a mask, and hospitals have been aggressively trying to save lives. In 1957 they did none of these things. So Covid-19 is much more communicable and deadly. This is why the scientists and doctors involved recommended these mitigation efforts as they saw this from the early infections.

The 57 flu was just as contagious and deadly as covid 19. All you have to do is look at infection rate and deaths per million. The big difference between the two diseases is not social distancing and masks. In 1957, thanks to Hilleman, we had a vaccine ready. Without that vaccine, 57 flu would have killed A LOT more people.

SO......that was then and this reality is NOW.

I think the point of our discussion now, today, with us, in The Villages, is just stayin' alive.........and most of us are trying to. NOT DEBATE WHAT USED TO KILL PEOPLE BETTER.

'I can tell by the way you do your walk you're a woman's man, no time to talk.'

I just checked and most of us are not in the class room anymore.

So we talk about anything we please (within forum guidelines) :icon_wink:

What I took away from the information he provided is NOT that this ain't so bad, but that we have endured similar calamities and withstood, persevered and risen from the ashes a better nation and stronger people. Panic and hysteria is neither healthy or productive. Panic resulted in a toilet paper drought, as well as hand sanitizer scarcity and super markets being cleaned out like the results of a swarm of army ants.
But, like I have said before, if one is not running amok yelling "the sky is falling. It's the end of the world" then we are accused of saying this is all a hoax.

Personally, I look forward to the information provided by this OP. And he has NOT down-played this pandemic. He has only provided information so that many on here can feel more informed and knowledgeable about the illness and the degree of damage it is capable of. Let's face it, the media is not helping much, and seeks to sensationalize whatever they deem newsworthy. And who can trust the gov to provide details (either side of the political spectrum)?

I bet I would get a reaction if I was to don my bio-hazard suit to go shopping. When asked, I could simply say "didn't you hear, the CDC is recommending that everyone wear a bio-hazard suit for protection, because this thing will eat through your skin and hair."

Is that all ya got?

Perhaps we will hear the very latest US govt touted video. The star is Dr. Stella Immanuel.

In addition to her cures for Covid, she also believes that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.

Government touted? The woman has a storefront church and questionable education at best. Government touted??????

Government and family tweeted her video labeled MUST WATCH

The truth from doctors in the field covid-19
 

No vaccine worked on like in 1957, but lots of people tried to get attention....

"A group of public health and national security experts who sent some of the earliest and most dire warnings to officials across the .... administration about the gathering coronavirus crisis is now offering a searing assessment of how the federal government blundered through the critical first months of a lethal outbreak."

As coronavirus threatened invasion, a new '''Red Dawn''' team tried to save America - ABC News

"“We were generally concerned that this was going to be a threat to our nation,” Marcozzi, now a senior official at the University of Maryland’s medical school, told ABC News."

Can you not wonder at some of the nonsense you read on TOTV concerning the virus, when questionable 'Doctors' like Dr. Stella Immanuel actually get airspace on the media?
Vaccines with micro chip implants to track you, population depletion plots fom a software seller, the list from dumbnuts gets longer each day!
Look after yourselves, because the lunatics are truly taking over the asylum!!

Ask yourself who EXACTLY is giving them the air space. Not networks...they report what is going on with our government.

:agree: This the same old pot, stirred by the same trolls. The comparison to Sweden (where the government didn't institute a lock down) didn't work out so well, so now let's compare COVID to ________ (fill in the blank). In these days of the internet, you can find an 'expert' - some very well-respected, others much less so - to back up any theory you like. (The one about Bill Gates , presented in an earlier post to this thread is a prime example. :MOJE_whot:)

We still hope that long-lasting herd immunity applies to Covid-19; but the simple fact is that nobody knows. It sure doesn't seem to have worked out well for Sweden. Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don'''t do what we did. It'''s not working.
The Mayo Clinic, WebMD & others aren't quite so rosy about the theory either:
Herd immunity and COVID-19 (coronavirus): What you need to know - Mayo Clinic
Herd Immunity: What Is It and Can It End The Coronavirus Pandemic?
Sweden shows why herd immunity for coronavirus won'''t work in America - Business Insider

There were quite a few differences in the pandemics of 1957 and 2020. There was a vaccine for H2N2 in trial within 2 months of the virus reaching the US, so severe measures weren't likely considered necessary. Also, "Making a vaccine for a new flu strain is very different from making a vaccine for something completely new like COVID-19" Early Detection of the 1957 Flu Pandemic Helped Slow Its Spread - HISTORY This fact alone could explain a totally different reaction to the outbreaks. Plus, back in 1957, there were no politicians, bloggers, self-proclaimed visionaries, alternative news sources or conspiracy theorists calling H2N2 a hoax.
And really, even IF the death rates from H2N2 & Covid-19 eventually prove to be similar, SO WHAT?

You mean that ISN'T the cause? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Well, at least two, with influence, give it a shot and as a result, millions contemplating.