Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2269272)

Of course the website is called "truthpress.com". Most of us recently have noticed a pattern where anything with the word "truth" in front of it is usually full of BS.

Hilarious that the article quotes "They give evidence", but then doesn't provide any evidence at all.

Originally Posted by Pat2015 (Post 2269669)

How many minutes does it take to get a full charge?

Originally Posted by Rylee (Post 2269423)

Can anybody just tell me what it cost them to charge their car at a charging station?

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269270)

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Originally Posted by Rylee (Post 2269423)

Can anybody just tell me what it cost them to charge their car at a charging station?

Originally Posted by Pat2015 (Post 2269669)

How many minutes does it take to get a full charge?

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2269693)

The 2024 Tesla Model 3, which we plan to order when avail in USA, net actual cost before tax and delivery will be about $36,500. This includes special paint and interior colors. Also the US tax credit which in ‘24 will be taken right off the vehicle price.

A Toyota Camry would be much more based on standard equipment of the Tesla. And NO dealing with markups and hassling of a selling Dealer. Tesla order takes 5 minutes on their web site. No haggling etc etc.

Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2269697)

It must be true “because I read it on the internet”
Have spoken to many Tesla EV owners I have come across in the Villages. Haven’t come across any disgruntled owners yet. Charging is done at home with no issues. One I talked to drove from Tulsa Ok two day drive with no charging issues on way to The Villages.

Originally Posted by Heytubes (Post 2269703)

How much do replacement batteries cost in a few years?

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269270)

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269270)

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Originally Posted by Nellmack (Post 2269680)

It depends on what amperage you're using. At my house I have a 50 Amp breaker, at my office I on a 100 Amp service. At a Tesla Super Charger they use a very high powered service. I don't know what size, sorry. But it's very fast. At Tesla's fastest charging station it will go from 15% to 80% in the time it takes to use the bathroom and get a sandwich (15 minutes).
I don't pay attention to how long it takes at home because I plug it in every day when I get home and it's fully charged in the morning. Kinda nice having a full charge (or the equivalent of a full tank of gas every morning).

Originally Posted by Justputt (Post 2269717)

There are some basic things being forgotten on both sides of the discussion. Think about our golf cart EV vs ICE discussions. There are maintenance costs with ICE that don't exist with EV (tune-up, breaks, oil, belts, etc.). Our EV cart batteries will need replacement every 5-7 years at a cost of about $4k for my 210Ah. The manager of the golf carts of the villages says they have NEVER replaced a battery in a golf cart in the seven years they've been selling them. Tesla battery replacement is $5-$20k. Elon Musk explained that Tesla car batteries should last for 300,000 to 500,000 miles or 1,500 battery charge cycles. That's between 22 and 37 years for the average car driver, who, according to the Department of Transportation (DOT), drives 13,476 miles per year.The current cost of a battery is around $160/kWh, which puts a Model Y @ $12k and Models X&S around $16k. I think current car EV battery warranty still around 8 years & 100k miles. I don't know if there is or will be disposal costs for old batteries since they are hazmat. So, basic math, $16k/100,000 miles is 16 cents per mile just for the battery and not including charging. AGAIN Elon Musk explained that Tesla car batteries should last for 300,000 to 500,000 miles Per Energysage.com "Across all models, Tesla's cost slightly less than 5 cents per mile to charge". Per policygenius.com "On average, insurance for an electric car is $44 per month more expensive than the cost of insuring a gas-powered car." So, $44x12months/12,000 miles per year = ~4 cents/mile. Now we're up to 25 cents per mile. Average gas price today in FL is $3.67 and if you can get 25mpg, that translates to about 15 cents per mile. Per Consumeraffairs.com my Chevy annual maintenance and repairs is $649 > $649/12,000 miles = ~5 cents/mile. So, for ICE, we're at 20 cents/mile. So, EV seems to cost more per mile to drive. Next, range ICE is the clear winner. Hot and cold climates, towing, and mountains, ICE is the clear winner. Both climate extremes significantly impact battery performance and hotter climates impact the life expectancy of batteries, even if just sitting out in summer sun. Additionally, the use of Fast Chargers reduces battery life. Per energy5.com "Degradation- Fast charging can cause the battery to degrade faster over time. I did a word search for "degradation" on this website and surprise surprise nothing showed up! This means you will have to replace your battery more often. Heat- Fast charging can cause the battery to heat up quickly. This can be a problem if your car is not equipped to handle it." Tesla Super Chargers are Class 3. Lastly, at the end of the EV's battery life, will there even be a replacement for your model? See this story: Florida Family Discovers That Used Electric Vehicles Are a Risk Not Worth Assuming - autoevolution . Bottom line, ICE cars can run for as long as gas fuel exists in the world. EVs, when the battery dies, you risk having one REALLY expensive hazmat boat anchor.

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269270)

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269270)

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Originally Posted by Heytubes (Post 2269771)

Interesting about icebergs melting and cities being threatened. When I fill a glass with ice and water the ice will melt, but the level of water stays the same. Got to figure if that compares to melting icebergs raising the sea level how many feet.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2269374)

This study is so confusing, that I don't know where to start. My first thought is that EV owners don't pay anything for gasoline because their vehicle doesn't use gasoline. So, who cares about the price of gasoline? And, the cost for gasoline for an ICE vehicle is nowhere near the total cost to operate the vehicle. Here is the math:

120,000 miles/25 mpg = 4,800 gallons x $3.50/gallon = $16,800 (which is only 14 cents per mile)

Also, the study seems to calculate the cost of Government subsidies for EVs, but what about the cost for subsidies for ICE vehicles?

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2269426)

Bottom line is that you can’t put a price on driving range and the speed/convenience of reloading the vehicles power source. We need our vehicles to be able to get us between our two homes, which are 1,350 miles apart, without worries and time consuming hassles. Also, if we get stuck in bad traffic, we want to be able to heat/cool our vehicles interior space without worrying about depleting our power source.

Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2269580)

There are many who are anti EVs and I respect their position, but EVs are going to replace ICE. This has nothing to do with global warming. This is all profit motivated. EVs are less expensive to produce, the major cost is the batteries which all the major companies are pouring mass amounts of money to address. Another issue is charging station which again a ton of money is being spent to address. There is the issue of producing electricity again many power companies are improving their capacity knowing there is going to be future demand which means more profits. There are two others that has nothing to do with cost, which is the convince of never have to visit a gas station and no longer having to rely on a foreign government for our fuel supply.

Originally Posted by KCasey (Post 2269654)

I've owned my Tesla for just shy of 3 years. For many of those three years, I primarily charged my car at work for FREE. So no cost to charge. On the days that I did charge at home in RI, it costs about $9 to "fill the tank", and I don't charge every day. I looked on my app for my FL charging cost. I have done one charge where the car was pretty low in charge and it cost $5 on my electric bill.

As far as charging at a Tesla Supercharger. I have not done that in Florida yet (every State is different) but in RI where I'm from it cost me between $9 - $15 depending on how much of a charge I needed.

One more thing to consider, there is virtually NO maintenance on a Tesla. In RI where there is snow, the suggestion was that every two years bring the car in to have the brakes cleaned. I did that once in RI and asked "ok, now what do I need to do" they answered "see you in a couple of years".

Also, there are no oil changes either. I absolutely love this car. For me, not knowing a lot about cars it's ideal, as the car will let me know if there is anything wrong. Best car I've ever owned!

Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2269272)

Of course the website is called "truthpress.com". Most of us recently have noticed a pattern where anything with the word "truth" in front of it is usually full of BS.

Hilarious that the article quotes "They give evidence", but then doesn't provide any evidence at all.

Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2269819)

Not sure about the cost quoted but if you consider all the factors owning an EV is probably close to 3 time that of a gas vehicle. And don’t forget about resale of an EV… no one will want an old EV unless you are selling dirt cheap. Let’s also consider the huge hassle of driving an EV anywhere other than local. The cost of the public fast chargers is very high (double or triple) the cost of gas.

Originally Posted by Heytubes (Post 2269771)

Interesting about icebergs melting and cities being threatened. When I fill a glass with ice and water the ice will melt, but the level of water stays the same. Got to figure if that compares to melting icebergs raising the sea level how many feet.

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269270)

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269824)

You do know that these figures include many things, not just charging costs which can vary depending on what the local utility charges per kWh and how much the charging station wants to charge you. As for Ford losing a lot of $$$$ on their EV’s, check this out:
https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford...-32000/70571/#

Also, each state will be assessing each EV owner some kind of mileage tax since we pay for roads thru the sale of gasoline. This will be a new expense for EV owners.
How about the battery disposal cost for the EV owner?
The Costs and Potential Benefits of Investing in Sustainable Electric Car Battery Disposal Practices

Ev’s don’t need maintenance or servicing? Wrong. If you look at the Kelley blue book website, you will see this:

Our experts found that over five years, the owner of a Tesla Model 3 can expect to spend an estimated $3,115 on maintenance, or $623 annually. That’s slightly higher than many gas-powered competitors. For example, maintenance for the Genesis G70 costs $2,621 over five years.

Maintaining Your Tesla: Everything You Need To Know - Kelley Blue Book

The largest maintenance cost is the replacement of the battery. In so many years, the owner will have to pay for a new battery which will cost many thousands of $$$$ plus disposal fee. This cost alone is greater than the cost of a gas powered engine rebuild, if 1 is needed in this short period of time. I know of Porsches and Mercedes with engines over 300,000 miles that haven’t had anything major done to their engines, and then you have diesel engines that can go double those miles before a major overhaul.

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269270)

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2269328)

There are 20 pages of the Bennett study and 120+ pages of the Argonne study to read and digest but a few things struck me right from the start:

• - The Bennett study adds the Federal and State rebates onto the price of the EV though there is no indication they were subtracted from the price being used
• - The Bennett study adds transmission and distribution costs even though those costs are actually being collected by the electric company (check your bill)
• - The Bennett study has three costs, including CAFE credits, that are "Costs to Buyers of Gasoline Vehicles," totaling $27,800. If these numbers are accurate then subtracting them from the price of the ICE and HEV models would mean the auto makers would give us the car for free with a $1,000 check sitting on the seat.

Again, there are nearly 150 pages to read and digest but something about the Truth seems a bit dishonest.

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2269681)

Not sure if this has been answered (didn't read the whole thing) but I'll give it a shot. My car gets a bit more than 4 miles per kWh of electricity but let's go with 4 for easy math. It is the base, cheapest, $32,000 model 3 and currently can go 260 miles on a full battery. 260/4=65 kWh. Superchargers are 30-35 cents per kWh and 97% of the energy coming out of the charger is going into the battery so 65kWh/.097% efficient X $0.35 per kWh =$23.45

We're paying a little under 13 cents/kWh for electricity here in TV so at home...where almost all of the charging happens...works out to $8.70 for a full charge. (One of the big things that people don't understand is that you charge at home at night, you don't charge at a supercharger unless you are on a trip)

Let's compare to our other car, 2017 Chrysler pacifica. 260 miles at 25mph = 10.4 gallons of gas. Let's say we're paying $3.20 per and that puts us at $33.28 for the same number of miles.

So in summary, a little cheaper at a Supercharger but only 1/4th of the cost per mile if charging at home. I hope this helps!

Joe

Originally Posted by Lyarham (Post 2269840)

electric is the wave of the future