Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2269693)

The 2024 Tesla Model 3, which we plan to order when avail in USA, net actual cost before tax and delivery will be about $36,500. This includes special paint and interior colors. Also the US tax credit which in ‘24 will be taken right off the vehicle price.

A Toyota Camry would be much more based on standard equipment of the Tesla. And NO dealing with markups and hassling of a selling Dealer. Tesla order takes 5 minutes on their web site. No haggling etc etc.

Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2269697)

It must be true “because I read it on the internet”
Have spoken to many Tesla EV owners I have come across in the Villages. Haven’t come across any disgruntled owners yet. Charging is done at home with no issues. One I talked to drove from Tulsa Ok two day drive with no charging issues on way to The Villages.

Originally Posted by Heytubes (Post 2269703)

How much do replacement batteries cost in a few years?

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269270)

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2269270)

I knew it was very expensive to own and operate an EV, but this is way more than what I thought.


Cost of Driving Electric Vehicle Equal to Paying $17.33 Per Gallon of Gasoline, Study Finds - Truth Press

Originally Posted by Nellmack (Post 2269680)

It depends on what amperage you're using. At my house I have a 50 Amp breaker, at my office I on a 100 Amp service. At a Tesla Super Charger they use a very high powered service. I don't know what size, sorry. But it's very fast. At Tesla's fastest charging station it will go from 15% to 80% in the time it takes to use the bathroom and get a sandwich (15 minutes).
I don't pay attention to how long it takes at home because I plug it in every day when I get home and it's fully charged in the morning. Kinda nice having a full charge (or the equivalent of a full tank of gas every morning).

Originally Posted by Justputt (Post 2269717)

There are some basic things being forgotten on both sides of the discussion. Think about our golf cart EV vs ICE discussions. There are maintenance costs with ICE that don't exist with EV (tune-up, breaks, oil, belts, etc.). Our EV cart batteries will need replacement every 5-7 years at a cost of about $4k for my 210Ah. The manager of the golf carts of the villages says they have NEVER replaced a battery in a golf cart in the seven years they've been selling them. Tesla battery replacement is $5-$20k. Elon Musk explained that Tesla car batteries should last for 300,000 to 500,000 miles or 1,500 battery charge cycles. That's between 22 and 37 years for the average car driver, who, according to the Department of Transportation (DOT), drives 13,476 miles per year.The current cost of a battery is around $160/kWh, which puts a Model Y @ $12k and Models X&S around $16k. I think current car EV battery warranty still around 8 years & 100k miles. I don't know if there is or will be disposal costs for old batteries since they are hazmat. So, basic math, $16k/100,000 miles is 16 cents per mile just for the battery and not including charging. AGAIN Elon Musk explained that Tesla car batteries should last for 300,000 to 500,000 miles Per Energysage.com "Across all models, Tesla's cost slightly less than 5 cents per mile to charge". Per policygenius.com "On average, insurance for an electric car is $44 per month more expensive than the cost of insuring a gas-powered car." So, $44x12months/12,000 miles per year = ~4 cents/mile. Now we're up to 25 cents per mile. Average gas price today in FL is $3.67 and if you can get 25mpg, that translates to about 15 cents per mile. Per Consumeraffairs.com my Chevy annual maintenance and repairs is $649 > $649/12,000 miles = ~5 cents/mile. So, for ICE, we're at 20 cents/mile. So, EV seems to cost more per mile to drive. Next, range ICE is the clear winner. Hot and cold climates, towing, and mountains, ICE is the clear winner. Both climate extremes significantly impact battery performance and hotter climates impact the life expectancy of batteries, even if just sitting out in summer sun. Additionally, the use of Fast Chargers reduces battery life. Per energy5.com "Degradation- Fast charging can cause the battery to degrade faster over time. I did a word search for "degradation" on this website and surprise surprise nothing showed up! This means you will have to replace your battery more often. Heat- Fast charging can cause the battery to heat up quickly. This can be a problem if your car is not equipped to handle it." Tesla Super Chargers are Class 3. Lastly, at the end of the EV's battery life, will there even be a replacement for your model? See this story: Florida Family Discovers That Used Electric Vehicles Are a Risk Not Worth Assuming - autoevolution . Bottom line, ICE cars can run for as long as gas fuel exists in the world. EVs, when the battery dies, you risk having one REALLY expensive hazmat boat anchor.

Originally Posted by Robnlaura (Post 2269691)

A U.S. Department of Energy report found that, when factoring in the long-term ownership expenses, a small electric SUV costs $0.4508 per mile compared to $0.4727 per mile for a comparable gas car. That’s a difference of just $0.0219 per mile. The report concludes that it would take 15 years for the average EV to make up for its higher purchase price.