Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1986688)

Vaccines for some of these other diseases are different than for the Chinese flu. After all, the regular flu has a new shot every year. Tired of all the self righteous garbage. Should we withhold care from people who are over weight and get diabetes because they do not stop eating and have never seen the inside of a gym? Withhold care from people who develop lung cancer because they smoke?

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1987428)

Can the over weight person, pass it on to you? Can the smoker? Now what about the person with Covid. That’s the problem. They may chose to get sick but what about the people who they give it to? It’s about accountability. Like a person shooting bullets and hitting a passerby. It was the passerby’s fault according to them. But it is the shooter who gets prosecuted in our society.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1987373)

Not any more dangerous a spreader than an un-vaccinated asymptomatic person who also would not quarantine, I would think.Vaccinated people are not contagious as long as un-vaccinated people and I heard that just a day ago.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1987446)

Actually, according to the CDC, there are 44,000 second hand smoking related deaths every year. So, yes, the smoker can “pass it on”…

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1987451)

You are the one who suggested that vaccinated people in breakthrough cases are more likely to be asymptomatic. Therefore more likely not to quarantine. Therefore more likely to spread the virus.
Please provide a link supporting your claim that vaccinated people are contagious for a shorter period of time.

Originally Posted by Sheltie-Lover (Post 1986536)

Another rude self righteous A$$. Grumpy Old Man is one of the reasons I read TOTV everyday before work. It makes me feel a little better that we still have some common sense left.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1987452)

Well, I guess that is true that’s why we designate places for smokers. Wish Covid would smell like smoke so we could tell when we are near danger.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1986366)

I don't understand your point, are you saying it is better to just catch the virus and survive? Kind of like people having COVID parties and crossing their fingers?

Originally Posted by Kritsa (Post 1987719)

American Association of Physicians and Surgeons website has a lot of information regarding early treatment for COVID. Studies are showing if you get early treatment( as opposed to sitting at home and waiting for it to get bad enough to go to the hospital) you have a much better outcome...
Just throwing that out there as a public service announcement... Do your own research and make the decision that is best for you... We are not all alike- we have different co-morbidities, different health history backgrounds- and a "one size fits all" approach does not work .
Figure out what is best for you, and do it.

If this helps one person, I will be doing a happy dance...

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1986357)

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

Originally Posted by eremite06 (Post 1987748)

And now, a new study shows survivors of COVID-19 who ignored getting the vaccine are now twice as likely to get reinfected.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1987736)

Very dangerous advice. "Do your own research and make the decision that is best for you" How about go to your doctor and listen to his expert advice. 99% of the people don't have the ability to do the correct research and understand what they are reading. And even if they do, unless they have a license they cannot "treat themselves" It's posts like this one that do more harm than good by implying that people can become an expert after a "google search"

And I'll use AAPS as an example of ridiculous "research"---

"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is an ultra-right-wing non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy."

And this is the site cited for "lots of information"
Res ipsa loquitur

Originally Posted by eremite06 (Post 1987815)

Today's SUN.

Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1987841)

The SUN did a study? What did they do, take a Poll?

Originally Posted by eremite06 (Post 1987748)

And now, a new study shows survivors of COVID-19 who ignored getting the vaccine are now twice as likely to get reinfected.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1987865)

Twice as likely as whom?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1987852)

Probably not even that. Most likely copied it from "somewhere":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by mamamia54 (Post 1988025)

My son had covid. He was very sick and he is 40. Thank God he is ok now. Went to get tested for antibodies and has NONE.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1987865)

Twice as likely as whom?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1988033)

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1986612)

Why should a covid survivor who has greater immunity than you do get the vaccine? I thought we were following the "science"

To make you feel better and safer? I hate to burst your bubble but covid is not going away. It's going to be endemic just like the flu, and new variants will probably require booster shots every year. It will probably become less deadly over time, and maybe in a few hundred years it will become similar to other coronaviruses and cause common colds.

Even if every man woman and child in USA were vaccinated, vaccine resistant variants like Delta will develop in other parts of the world and in this modern world, slip back into America.

Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1988133)

I don't dispute any of your claims... but let me tell you why I, someone who had COVID, got the vaccine...

I have friends who are very elderly. I could never live with myself if I gave anyone COVID. So... I got the vaccine because I will take every precaution to protect my friends.

Originally Posted by Dgodin (Post 1986694)

Get the damn vaccine and quit looking for excuses in pseudoscience and false analysis. It's the patriotic thing to do for your fellow Americans. Either we stop COVID or it will mutate into something worse than the delta variant, which is now killing young people.
And people refusing the vaccine should be ashamed of their cowardice and self centeredness.
If you don't want to get the vaccine stay away from public places.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1988041)

Such a misleading title to that article.
The chances of reinfection from Covid are extremely low: Survivors of Covid-19 are significantly less likely than the rest of the population to catch the novel coronavirus—but their risk of reinfection is not zero, according to a study published Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine.

So if you recovered from Covid and then got your shot you are twice as likely not to be reinfected. But if you didn’t get your shot, your chances of reinfection are still lower than the rest of the population…

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1988168)

"The rest of the population" meaning those who are not vaccinated yet; that makes sense.

Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 1988162)

That statistic is bogus since 99.3% of all those who contracted COVID did not survive.

Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 1988162)

That statistic is bogus since 99.3% of all those who contracted COVID did not survive.