Originally Posted by GeriS (Post 1986862)

Then why are most patients in hospitals the ones who have been vaxxed? You are not getting the straight scoop for the msm. I hope there is something to help those who have been vaxxed and the spike protein does not harm you the way so many people have been harmed already. The number of those who died is alarming, but they won't stop. That's why they are already saying you need boosters every 6 months.

Originally Posted by Pessemist (Post 1986701)

It makes sense, sense your immune system has been exposed to the entire virus and was robust enough to fend off the infection before it kills you. The vaccine consists of some of the proteins that make up the virus, not the entire virus itself (DoH)! So the immune response is triggered for those specific proteins..and usually that's all you need.

You can still get infected by Covid after the vaccine. But you have about 97% protection against the infection becoming fatal. You can even get a sub clinical infection that you can pass on to the unvaccinated. Unvaccinated people have a MUCH greater chance of dying because their immune system takes longer to 'ramp up' than the virus takes to kill them.

That's why all this BULL**** about peoples 'Right' not to get vaccinated is nonsense. For example, you don't have the 'right' to drive your car 100mph. You don't have the 'Right' to use toxins in your company to maximize your profits. Y Same with vaccine: You don't have the 'Right' to infect those around you with a lethal virus.

For historical perspective on this, I suggest looking up the story of Typhoid Mary and her insistence on working in the food industry despite the many who were infected as a result.

I would dare suggest that Individual rights end when they inflict death and disease on others...robbing them of THEIR rights.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1986838)

The party was outdoors? Everyone was 100% vaccinated? So........what is the problem???
Good for them for doing the celebration as safely as possible.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1986849)

I watched a video of this doctor who claims the virus is small enough to go through every mask. I stopped right there. He has no credibility at all by making that claim. Doesn't he know that theses minuscule virus particles DO NOT TRAVEL BY THEMSELVES. The virus particles are encompassed in droplets and the much smaller aerosols which will be MOSTLY blocked by those disposable and cloths masks that folks wear as SOURCE CONTROL. This guy is a boob.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1986858)

But what about all those folks who have escaped the dreaded virus so far and have not been vaccinated? They remain prime hosts of this virus to mutate and create more variants. THOSE are the people who should be getting themselves vaccinated. We need to act quickly on this. Why wait?

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1986849)

I watched a video of this doctor who claims the virus is small enough to go through every mask. I stopped right there. He has no credibility at all by making that claim. Doesn't he know that theses minuscule virus particles DO NOT TRAVEL BY THEMSELVES. The virus particles are encompassed in droplets and the much smaller aerosols which will be MOSTLY blocked by those disposable and cloths masks that folks wear as SOURCE CONTROL. This guy is a boob.

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1986357)

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

Originally Posted by Dana Swain (Post 1986880)

Love your point of view…l had Covid with mild symptoms and still have natural antibodies. I don’t want a vaccine that I don’t trust! I hate being ostracized because I won’t get vaccinated…

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1986357)

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

Originally Posted by Robin Farris (Post 1986962)

As a COVID survivor I really want to say thank you! I clean houses for a living and I do a dang good job at it. As of lately some of my clients have started trying to push the shot on me and trying to make ME feel bad. I have always been booked but lately I have started letting people go. I have survived it and my antibodies in my own body knows what to do to protect it now period. I feel to each their own but don’t try to make me feel bad. I contracted it just before Christmas and trust me I am not in the best shape. A smoker of 30+ years, bad lungs…but I SURVIVED it. And I have had no problems since. I know that was not the case with all and for that I am sorry. I feel lucky to still be here today. But this shaming in either direction needs to stop. If something was to happen and maybe someone couldn’t get or tolerate the vaccine and became sick the next best thing might be one of us survivors donating our antibodies. Just let that sink in for a moment because guess what I don’t know you and you don’t know me but if asked I wouldn’t hesitate to help you however I could.

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1986964)

Ask your Doctor to give you an antibody test, when it shows you have antibodies have Doctor write you a letter saying you are just as protected as the vaccinated. If he won't do this, get a smarter Doctor.