Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1959033)

First, because you brought it up. I am an Independent, after not only being registered in the party you seem to espouse for over 60 years, but being a paid employee. I changed, but not to what you refer.

Second, CRT is something BOTH groups wanted. It is not, in any way a subject to be taught. The changes that are being made and solicited are now a party movement to erase history as it happened. Really you should read the law. Full of platitudes, nothing of substance and was only even brought up to have it worked out as a party issue, adding a few words like Marxism to really generate those who are not really concerned with the country, but the party.

So, you have completely and totally flipped the truth.

Erasing history to serve a party is a very scary thing to endorse.

After 40 years of no problem in the schools, you now suggest that you want every party change in legislature to generate a new history. That CRT was done to keep this from happening.

But, again....you don't care and that is your right

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1959040)

None of what you said has been proven, 60 some court cases, and only 1 agreed with any of your assumptions. And hundreds of millions donated to prove the election fraud, and 6 months in and no proof yet forth coming. Keep donating, keep searching, I hope for your sake you actually find some proof. Otherwise, it will be a sad waste of time and a serious detriment to democracy.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1959036)

I had Native America studies at Earl Wooster HS (Reno, Nevada) in 1975-1976 or thereabouts. We went over a lot of battles in which the Native Americans won and we had three or four field trips to movies that featured the point-of-view of various Native American tribes like Little Big Man, A Man Called Horse and some others. Our teacher did favor the Native Americans but then again many of the kids in the class were Paiutes. This one too probably as it is about a Paiute-- Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1959064)

Nothing was proven either cause it was never heard.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1959062)

Truth? According to? I guess I just see all the good that has happened in this country in my lifetime instead of dwelling on all the negative that may have occurred before I was born, and on the negative fears that might happen in the future. I certainly do agree with one part, "propaganda" and that is exactly what this is all about. CRT is a propaganda tool, not worthy of our education system.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1959062)

Truth? According to? I guess I just see all the good that has happened in this country in my lifetime instead of dwelling on all the negative that may have occurred before I was born, and on the negative fears that might happen in the future. I certainly do agree with one part, "propaganda" and that is exactly what this is all about. CRT is a propaganda tool, not worthy of our education system.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1958719)

No I'm saying I remember learning about systemic racism in the 70's, however I don't remember that we were taught that particular phrase. We learned the subject. It isn't a new subject. It's an important subject to learn. I just don't recall that we called it "systemic racism" and I don't recall that our lessons in school were called "critical race theory."

Sort of like if you learn all about the color blue, but they never mention to you that this color is called blue. You still know all about the color. Just not its official name.

That's all I meant by that.

The point of my post was that these lessons aren't new, and that I'm confused as to why all of a sudden people are against it. Are they also against teaching that the south lost the Civil War? Are they against learning that George Washington was our first president? Are they against learning that blue is a primary color?

I mean - this stuff shouldn't be shocking to anyone. I do have to say that learning about the Tulsa massacre only in the past year or so was sad to me. I should have learned about that in the 1970's too when we were learning about race relations (I believe that was the term we used, as a catch-phrase for the overall topic). It's possible that we were taught about Tulsa and that I merely forgot about it. Our country has been through trauma every which way since its inception. We have been victimized, and we have victimized others. We have had horrific crimes committed against us, and we have committed horrific crimes against others.

How can we learn from our mistakes, if we are ordered not to learn what we did wrong? We MUST know what we've done that was horrible and traumatizing and cruel and unjust, if we are ever to evolve as a society. Those who cannot learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1958669)

THE truth.

- The truth of the our early economy being based on free slave labor.
- The truth of segregation, with inferior or non-existent amenities for blacks.
- The truth of the Tulsa race riots.
- The truth of systemic racism that has existed in government and private enterprise.
- The truth of the rise of white supremacism and our own intelligence agencies saying that the biggest internal threat is white extremist groups.
- Etc., etc., etc.
- The truth that privileged whites are doing everything possible to ensure our children don't hear of any of this.

THOSE kind of truths.

Now it's time to hear from those who say slaves actually had it pretty good, who would also refuse to truthfully answer whether they would prefer to be enslaved and have 3 meals - or to be free and struggling.

Originally Posted by miharris (Post 1959094)

- Our early economy was not based on "free slave labor" Slave labor was used almost exclusively in the south for cash crops - primarily cotton and tobacco. In terms of the overall economy of the US, the south was miniscule compared to the industrialized northern states. In fact, the cause of the civil war was not primarily slavery, it was the fact that the south was being increasingly marginalized by the northern states, who favored high import and export tariffs, which kept agricultural prices low (fewer export markets) and the price of manufactured goods high (difficult to import from other industrialized countries). There is no question that slavery was and is abhorrent, but it is true that it existed for thousands of years in hundreds of cultures.


- Segregation was in fact true, and an unfortunate part of US history, but our current system provides abundant opportunities for people of color in education and employment. In fact, the most successful 'race' in the US currently is Asian, not white.

- The Tulsa race riots were a travesty, true, but they happened in 1921 for gods sake. Are you seriously implying that the country where that happened is the same country that elected a Black man president? Twice??

My biggest issue is that the current extreme left wing movement, including things like CRT, is to the push to equality of outcome, as oppose to equality of opportunity. That is not what made this county the envy of the world. And before you object to that phrase, tell me why our boarder is being over-run by people from central and south America? Why aren't they flocking to Venezuela? Mexico? Brazil? North Korea?

Originally Posted by Briand (Post 1959050)

Anyone prepared to be introspective will see that hiding our history is not a good idea. I am a ‘Brit’ and the first to admit the building of the biggest empire in History was not carried out without a lot of evil actions on our behalf and suffering for many in the British Empire. Knowing this and understanding the suffering of those who were ‘conquered’ is vitally important to becoming an active and sympathetic member of society today.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1958867)

I’m curious, how do you feel black voters are “suppressed” today?