Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1959233)

With current news unfolding and each day more revelations coming out of buried actions, I can see not able to recover, as the most likely.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1959214)

And that reason is that the US is in an era of "crazy times chaos" from which it may or may NOT recover!

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1959221)

Really, and you have something to back up that it is not commonly? You mean on the media sites you visit, you mean in your social circle?

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1959043)

And if those "truckloads" of votes are legitimate votes of legal voters? You seem to be saying sucks to be them, their votes should not be counted, because of some law. Refusing to count American Citizens votes sure sounds like voter suppression to me.

If those truckloads were from non-citizens (no proof) or covered in Chinese bamboo fibers (no proof) or dead people (no to very little proof) or people voting in multiple elections (no proof). Hmm, there seems to be a trend here. All the things claimed to be done and that laws need to be passed to prevent, and there is NO proof after hundreds of millions of dollars were donated to investigate them.

Originally Posted by JerryLBell (Post 1958374)

From what I've read, critical race theory is really two ideas.

The first is that the very idea of race is not based on biology or science of any kind. There's nothing about the physiology of humans that neatly divides humanity into categories like "white", "black", "Asian", etc. The attempts to divide people into these categories were done societally, not scientifically.

The second idea is that American history shows us that governments put in place in the Americas by European settlers were and continue to be racist in nature. To steal land away from the indigenous people, governments put into place laws that made those peoples have fewer or any rights and encouraged the suppression of those peoples. Prior to the industrial revolution, manual labor was vital and slave labor was cheaper than paid labor, so laws were put into place to allow kidnapping, torturing and enslaving peoples from other countries, especially Africa. Laws were put into place over time to exclude Asians. During World War II, people of Japanese heritage were robbed of their properties and imprisoned while people of German heritage were not. Even after the emancipation of enslaved people in America, voting rights were suppressed and continue to be so to this day.

Critical race theory doesn't paint an artificially pretty picture of American history or governance. If you read history deeply, however, it is probably a more accurate picture. Does this divide people? Possibly. Some people are averse to learning unpleasant truths. I've always thought that true patriotism wasn't blindly loving ones country, right or wrong but rather wanting the best for and out of ones country, realizing when ones country was wrong or doing wrong and changing it for the better even if that involves discomfort and hard work.

America isn't perfect and never was. It gets better over time, despite occasional backsliding. I hope it continues to get better and better in the future. Pretending we are and have been perfect won't help us get there.

But that's just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1958415)

A Lesson on Critical Race Theory

Looks very complicated. Teachers should be able to decide which students could handle this. Beltway bigwigs should not determine it. Leave it to the educators.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1959122)

Blacks and Browns are suppressed by gerrymandering for one thing. And by the NEW laws passed by Arizona, Utah, Georgia, and Florida. We ALL remember voting lines in Atlanta stretching back for four blocks. That's Suppression with a capital S.

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW (Post 1959290)

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 View Post
A Lesson on Critical Race Theory

Looks very complicated. Teachers should be able to decide which students could handle this. Beltway bigwigs should not determine it. Leave it to the educators.



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Originally Posted by JerryLBell (Post 1958374)

From what I've read, critical race theory is really two ideas.

The first is that the very idea of race is not based on biology or science of any kind. There's nothing about the physiology of humans that neatly divides humanity into categories like "white", "black", "Asian", etc. The attempts to divide people into these categories were done societally, not scientifically.

The second idea is that American history shows us that governments put in place in the Americas by European settlers were and continue to be racist in nature. To steal land away from the indigenous people, governments put into place laws that made those peoples have fewer or any rights and encouraged the suppression of those peoples. Prior to the industrial revolution, manual labor was vital and slave labor was cheaper than paid labor, so laws were put into place to allow kidnapping, torturing and enslaving peoples from other countries, especially Africa. Laws were put into place over time to exclude Asians. During World War II, people of Japanese heritage were robbed of their properties and imprisoned while people of German heritage were not. Even after the emancipation of enslaved people in America, voting rights were suppressed and continue to be so to this day.

Critical race theory doesn't paint an artificially pretty picture of American history or governance. If you read history deeply, however, it is probably a more accurate picture. Does this divide people? Possibly. Some people are averse to learning unpleasant truths. I've always thought that true patriotism wasn't blindly loving ones country, right or wrong but rather wanting the best for and out of ones country, realizing when ones country was wrong or doing wrong and changing it for the better even if that involves discomfort and hard work.

America isn't perfect and never was. It gets better over time, despite occasional backsliding. I hope it continues to get better and better in the future. Pretending we are and have been perfect won't help us get there.

But that's just my opinion.

Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1959243)

Give us a break. Of course there are laws/rules/regulations governing the voting process and rightfully so. Without them the voting process would be chaos. Think about it in this way. EVERY state has statute of limitations outlining the time frame in which to file a lawsuit. Is that suppression too? What would you say if 500,000 votes came in tomorrow for Trump in one of the swing states? Just like the rest of us, you would say it's too late. It would have nothing to do with voter suppression.

The rules governing peoples' right to vote are actually quite simple. Frankly, if someone can't figure out the voting rules then maybe they shouldn't be voting. The right to vote is a sacred duty. Proper rules have to be in place so the public has little to no cause to suspect voter fraud.