Being selfish?
 

So If I die after taking the vaccine, or one of children, grandchildren, or great grandchildren, are those that say we're being selfish, indeed selfish? This is still a vaccine that doesn't have FDA approval. It only has Emergency approval. What are the long term affects on children? What are the long term affects on child bearing women? Our immune systems are made to adapt to these viruses. Look at the numbers. Cities locked down the hardest are now experiencing a surge while those that opened up early are going down. The difference? Immune systems allowed to work. So your vaccine, do You now have life time, absolute immunity? So you rolled the dice and came up good. Are you willing to be responsible for those that die? It's a personal choice and should remain so.

This is just another example of the way humans do things. We saw the best and the worst. Panic as on the Titanic. Women and children first. The band played on. Others,
hey Mildred how do I look in your blond wig.

The race card. More blacks are dying from covid 19 than whites. We do not hear that as a group blacks are not getting vaccinated at the same rate as whites. Try as some wish to spin this it is not due to lack of opportunity, it is due to lack of making any effort.

Herd immunity-a great term. A herd is a mindless mob.

Really????? Name them.

1) Not trying to "shame" anyone, couldn't care less what other people do, and I support their right to choose

2) It was you who posted the completely erroneous statement that the "so called vaccine" does not stop anyone from getting or spreading COVID. The CDC quote above has nothing to do with the FACT that only 0.008% (5814/85 million) of vaccinated individuals acquired COVID. And it IS a vaccine, by every definition in the book. Just setting the record straight

I agree with everything you said and I look forward to the day masking will no longer be necessary. I do have one concern.....If we haven't reached herd immunity, isn't there still a chance that the virus will continue to mutate creating more variants? Will masking be recommended until herd immunity is actually achieved and who knows how long that is going to take?

I may be blissfully naive but I haven't heard or read about deaths of fully vaccinated people. Everyday you hear this?

We all tend not to see the elephant in the room. We all die as a result of life. Life is clearly the cause of our death.

As far as the effect on child bearing women, perhaps, you are thinking of Thalidomide?
It is interesting that the female doctor who kept it illegal in the United States recently passed away. We did have several severely deformed babies born in the US the mother's took a drug that they got illegally.

My view, similar to driving drunk a too common issue. You have every right to drive drunk if, it only means that you will drive into a wall and kill yourself. The problem is drunk drivers too often kill others. That is the reason why the choice they make is wrong. Truly, it is simple.

Agree. "My body, my choice" does not apply when it comes to public health in the middle of a global pandemic. At all. Tired of the excuses. Everyone should do their part.

Things are far simpler when we deal with what is rather than what might be.

It is interesting that I think it was syphilis in it's original form would kill the patient in a matter of days. Little chance to be spread. The disease mutated to a milder form where people could live with it for years. The milder disease was better able to spread.

Covid 19 is a virus and it will mutate. I read, a while ago, somewhere or other there were 98 distinct viruses identified. I'm sure if there were 98 today there are far more. As far as the masks, perhaps an interesting side effect this was a low year for flu cases.

We use the term, return to normal. We never can or do return to normal. We will have a new normal. That is what always has and will happen.

Not a lot but greater than zero.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

So agree!

Has the FDA approved a vaccine?

I believe in the vaccine and am fully vaccinated. But I would never force a vaccine on someone who doesn’t want it. We don’t live in that kind of nation thank goodness. If it makes you feel netter, pandemics typically run their course in 24 months. Vaccinated or not, we likely have until the end of the year for this to be over. Hopefully another is not lurking around the corner.

Well, an obvious defense is "my body, my choice" ... same defense all the pro-abortion folks use to defend that choice. And, if you even think about commenting on how my lack of vaccination is risking the health of other people, I will quickly remind you of what an abortion absolutely (not a risk) does to another human being.

And, then there's the "follow the science" argument. Let's take a quick trip to factual history. Nothing has changed in 150 years. People who think they know it all continue to suppress and censor those who disagree. Bolding and underscoring is mine.

Journalist at Large, London, 1873 – It has come to our attention that Joseph Lister’s “germ theory” has been censored by the respected media publications of our day, and rightfully so, we say. As readers probably know, Lister is the controversial surgeon at Glasgow Royal Infirmary whose “deeply religious” character makes him immediately suspect. He claims that a new antiseptic method of surgery dramatically reduces the fatality rate from about 50% to 15%, but the vast majority of scientific opinion is against the man’s theories. Four years ago, the British Association, meeting at Leeds, mocked Lister’s ideas, and just this year the respected medical journal The Lancet warned that the entire medical profession is against Lister’s ideas. It is difficult to see how that such an august group of medical men could be wrong. We find it commendable that our all-wise, mothering media have the policy of censoring “content that contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities” so that dangerous ideas like Lister’s will not be propagated and debated. As the wise saying goes, “We must follow the science."

Friday News, April 16, 2021 - Way of Life Literaure

No sh!t - we're seeing the same attitude now. Arrogance beyond belief.

Yes, Joseph Lister was mocked and censored for explaining how germs can make people sick and how steps could be taken to save lives. Notice that the British press was lauding his ridicule and endorsing censorship. People died unnecessarily because of this ridicule and censorship.

We have seen the same things going on with COVID and Big Tech. Less people would have died from COVID-19 if the press and Big Tech would have not suppressed proper information about nutrition, health, and immune system support.

Many have been deceived about COVID and truthful information has been suppressed.

I haven't been vaccinated, and don't plan to unless they make it mandatory for traveling abroad.
Herd immunity will be achieved when the virus has run it's course. Just because the CDC says that 70% must be vaccinated to achieve this, I don't believe them. The worst plague in history was the "Black Death" in the middle ages, and it just ran it's course and disappeared. Vaccinations weren't even in existence back then. So when the CDC makes recommendations, I take them with a grain of salt. There's money to be made with the vaccinations and I don't think they are as necessary as they are made out to be.
Like I've said before......I'm 73, and never had a flu, pneumonia, or shingles shot, and it's been at least 25 years since a tetanus shot.