You’re welcome

He was a drug addicted man who had some fentanyl on board but not enough to kill someone his size and who had his tolerance due to years of abuse. Read the science.

Kneeling on a man's throat with his lungs crushed into the pavement is a way to kill not restrain. Most police departments do not permit this type of restraint. The murder part came when the man said, I can't breath and then had no pulse and the killer refused to get off of his neck.

There is a higher court than courts of justice and that is the court of conscience. It supersedes all other courts - Mahatma Gandhi

Derek Chauvin Trial
 

From comments here it seems some are judge, jury and executioner before ALL facts are in. In this country, at least for now, a defendant is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of peers. It saddens me that a life was lost and it saddens me that millions are paid to one person’s family when so many others were affected....lives and businesses destroyed. Seriously, what are we becoming?

He was a CRIMINAL who resisted arrest, read the LAW. He shouldn't be dead, but he should not be canonized either

Floyd killed Floyd.

Cause of death fentanyl overdose!
But fakenewsmedia need propaganda brainwashing so they blamed cops and America
Fakenewsmedia is worse then fentanyl overdose and much more painful

Reverse the races of the cop and the victim. I bet a whole bunch of the posters here would have a different opinion.

The worry is if the police officer is found to be not guilty, protesters will burn and riot throughout our country. I find this to be unacceptable and those who do these behaviors should be arrested immediately. Unless you live under a rock you should know Floyd was a menace to society and was full of drugs when he died. The police officer will not get first degree murder, but he will probably get 3rd degree manslaughter, to appease the public. Nevertheless, regardless of the punishment, some folks will never be appeased, so rioting, looting and burning of buildings will happen anyway.

He was yelling "I can't breath" before the even had him in handcuffs...

It's the new "get out of jail free" card...

According to the autopsy, none of what you said happened...

According to the autopsy, his lungs were full of fluid, weighing 2-3 Xs normal...

He was already dying from the Fentanyl overdose...

I did read the science...

I can’t breathe
 

He MAY have died from something else, but he certainly died from not being able to breathe for 9 minutes. I am totally Pro-Police, but he did not have to die that day

Good thing none of what you said actually happened...

He was going with the "I can't breath" before they even got him out of his car...

The autopsy says otherwise...

And yes, he did not have to die that day. Simply complying with the 4 officers who were trying to arrest him would have saved his life.

It's interesting how the other guy in the car followed instructions and wasn't harmed in any way...

Where in the blue blazes did you come up with Chauvin weighing 145 pounds?

If simply complying would have saved his life then it was the interaction with the officers that ended his life, yes? That is what the trial should be about, whether the action of the officer caused or contributed to his death.

He was on the ground, handcuffed, one knee on his neck, another knee at least occasionally on his back, not moving, and not breathing and yet the officer still applied pressure. Can you explain what more he needed to do to comply when dying was not enough?

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I support LEOs all across the country - an unforgiving job, esp the last few years. I ALWAYS thank them personally when seeing some in a store etc.

But, no matter the other circumstance noted here, NINE MINUTES is the deciding factor for me. period. What was the cop thinking all that time?

EVERY group has bad apples - the focus should be culling them out. But 'excusing' the criminals and offenders is NOT the right thing to do.

But the Media etc etc pressure on all of this is troubling. Rodney King all over again? Gotta wonder if stores are all boarded up and citizens worried once the verdict comes out.
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He applied so much pressure that Floyd was still able to lift his head and move around...

You act like the officer Who was surrounded by screaming people knew that Floy was dead.

In reality, he wasn't pronounced dead until much later...

But with your logic, it's the officer's fault any time a suspect is injured, regardless of the suspects actions...

I mean, it was the cop who initiated the interaction, right?

Wow!
 

Never got by the first few responses. Wow!

Easy to predict how this thread would go

I’ll add a million to that..

Chauvin was told at least once if not twice that Floyd had no pulse. With one knee on Floyd's neck and another on his back he was close enough to notice the man was no longer breathing.

No movement for several minutes, no signs of breathing, no pulse, and CPR in the ambulance... sure, the official determination of death did not occur until much later.

Surrounded? Don't think so. Screaming? Yeah, screaming that the man was dying or already dead.

Actually, it was a different cop who initiated the interaction, Chauvin came along later.

Please explain....
I certainly don't agree that is the ONLY fact....that's the problem, there are many facts.

You seem to think the officer's full weight was on Floyd's neck. It wasn't. The fact that Floyd lifted his head several times during the encounter proves that point...

And yes, Chauvin was surrounded. How many times did they have to tell the crowd to "get back", to "get on the sidewalk"?

He was "told he had no pulse"?

I must have missed that part, was it before or after they called for the ambulance the first, then second time?

Have you ever tried to take someone's pulse during a medical emergency?

I have, multiple times. It's damn difficult to do. Many times what you're actually feeling is your own pulse instead of the patient's...

If this officer was your son would you feel this way?

I would be ashamed if he was my son.

I see that we are not going to agree on what our lying eyes are telling us. Watch the video, read the autopsy reports, and draw your conclusions but leave me out of it.

I started this with an open mind, hoping the evidence presented at trial would lead to a just verdict. Countering your version of the "facts" is driving me to convict Chauvin before the trial has ended and that's not the way our justice system should work.

Leave you out of it? You inserted yourself "into it" when you entered this thread... And no, you started with "Chauvin is guilty" and went from there.

Watch the video? Read the autopsy? I did all of that.

Me, otoh, I tend to look at things more clinically, without emotion. In medicine, if you treat someone emotionally, you're screwed...

A few questions, bc you sound like you are in med field.
He was high in the store, lungs full of fluid, gets arrested/handcuffed and put into car. At that point of excitement wouldn't the not able to breath kick in? Then somehow he's out of the car( sorry, I don't know these details) must of been some scuffling going on...again agitating the breathing issue. He's then put to ground and we all know the results.
Had he stopped breathing in car,, no murder......or roughing up outside...no murder...but when they get this football player sized man down to ground,, he succumbs, stops breathing, and now we have a murder.
(I am no way in agreement with the extended time of the knee-throat thing)...but I do believe there are many variables here, that might not be able to be answered.

If he was my son and all else the same, I would be ashamed of him. This was at least Manslaughter.

You make some very good observations...

But he sure was able to breath when he was resisting arrest, screaming at the top of his lungs and was strong enough to prevent 4 officers from simply putting him in the back of a cruiser...

Unfortunately, most of the other stuff will never be able to be proved in court...

Your two cents is off the mark. This cop had his knee on Floyd’s neck for almost nine minutes. This is not police training. Floyd told Derek 28 times he couldn’t breathe. If this isn’t murder, I don’t know what is. What is the matter with you?

Ohiobuckeye
 

Retiredguy123, I agree with you totally. But personally I think the court already knows what the verdict is going to be against Chauvin, GUILTY! If he acquitted they’ll be more protest & riots. You watch Chauvin will be GUILTY, just my opinion.

Another emotional argument...

He was shouting I can't breathe upon the initial contact. That has become the new attempt to "get out of jail free"...

There are multiple videos of people immediately going to the "I can't breathe" defense, thinking it will get them out of being arrested. Even when the cop hasn't laid hands on them...

If you can scream "I can't breathe" over and over again, you most certainly CAN breathe...

A lot of posts in this thread, perfectly exemplify why it is so hard to discipline and hold accountable the small percentage of bad cops in this country and that there is no question that systemic and institutional racism/bigotry - is still a huge problem.

Watch the video again. The officer's knee was NOT on Floyd's throat. It was on the back of his neck. And yes, the officer occasionally did move his hold to ease up on Floyd's neck, contrary to some comments herein that he was squeezing down on it. Floyd's windpipe was on the opposite side of the hold. This "football player-sized" thug could have conceivably risen and killed Officer Chauvin at any point. The ambulance was called a second time when Floyd showed signs of physical distress due to his Fentanyl overdose. Many people's minds are made up, so it's futile to confuse them with the facts. This officer doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of justice.

And who appointed you judge, jury and executioner before the cops have a trial.

If he "couldn't breathe", then he couldn't say it 28 times, or even once for that matter