Why don’t you watch entire trial before giving your opinion?

Just curious, the next time a black criminal kills a white cop ( its eventually going to happen based solely on statistics) will the city pay the cops family 27 million dollars to compensate the cops family for their loss? How did the city come up with this amount? This ain't free money folks. This high civil pay-out is just a bribe to minimize the burning and looting. This entire case has nothing to do with the facts.

Obviously, air was moving in and out of his lungs, no question.

But serious question: What would he have experienced as his lungs were being affected by the drugs? How would someone experiencing that describe it?

You are correct. If he actually "couldn't breathe", he would have not been able to say that so many times. He would have been gagging and gasping for air. Of course, the black population will use this as another excuse to go "shopping" all across the country for free stuff.

I don't know why they don't seem to rely on the facts. The guy was a criminal - past and present, was high on drugs and alcohol according to the facts and had a very bad heart. He was a ticking time bomb.

The officer will be convicted of Manslaughter, given 3 to 12 years confinement and removed from being a police officer. This officer has ha numerous complaints of excessive force for 19 years. If he would have been removed from the force years ago, this would not have happened. Did he intend to kill GF, probably not, but he is a proven bully and should have been fired long ago.

I do totally agree..George Floyd was a burglar and a drug addict..did he do as police asked... no, but we don’t hear that side.. instead he is made a martyr and family gets 27M..and taxpayers get to pay it.. so guess crime pays???

I am a conservative law and order and police supporter. But after watching the video IMHO I don’t think it rises to a case of murder by any means because I don’t think it was his intent to kill George Floyd. Yet I don’t understand why at least 3 cops on scene can’t get a man in handcuffs under control. His callousness even after he obviously had lost consciousness is criminal. I think the best outcome would be a conviction of manslaughter or some sort of negligent homicide. I see people who want to talk about George Floyd’s past but say the officer’s past is irrelevant. You can’t have it both ways. Like I said I’m a law enforcement supporter but if this was a black cop doing this to a white citizen would you defend the cop? Ferguson , Missouri was a lie. So many other charges of excessive force weren’t true. But I think this one has legs. This is a bad cop.

Have some guts and support the legal system that we have. If we used your theory we would all be living under communism and the state would make all the decisions. In our society we do not sacrifice one person to please the majority as we might be the next person chosen to be sacrificed.

Yes, I would defend a black, asian, female, gay, lesbian or whatever designation the police officer belongs to if he/she is enforcing the law and doing all he can to effect a lawful arrest. I have watched all the video available, bystander video, body cameras, etc and the officers had their hands full with a big guy that was resisting their efforts to make a peaceful arrest. Perhaps the officers should have thrown up their hands and let him go when it got the the point of having to restrain him until help could arrive and if that happened we would no longer have a law and order society. Support your police and let the judicial system work as intended. I am worried in this case that the officer is being tried in a court of popular opinion and will not have a chance to go free for doing what he is paid to do. How many of you would step into his shoes for even a day and deal with the violence that he and his fellow officers encounter every day?

I agree with you, having fought drunks and drugged up resisters. They can hurt you bad.

I guess all I’m saying is we all must imagine your family member was in George Floyd’s position and also imagine the officer was your family member. If you can honestly say that if your son, whether he had a drug problem or whatever, was held in that position even AFTER he was unconscious and you say it was justified I don’t buy it. If the officer was my son I wouldn’t think it was intentional but I would have to admit he made a horrible error in judgement that may not have been the complete cause but at least contributed to this man’s death. I can’t lie to myself.

He was saying 'I can't breathe' before even being arrested. The drugs had him dead already. No getting away from it.

The only way to put a perp down is to use overwhelming force.

You have no choice - you got a maniac high on drugs, fighting off 4 police officers! He showed a lot of restraint only kneeling on him. I'd probably have tazed him and kicked him in the throat to knock him down. He was endangering the lives of the other officers. You don't any more chances after that.

Life's tough - follow the law

This clown of a cop with a long history of abuse of civilians is a perfect reason to defund the cops. The other cops (look at them in the pics) were not looking at Floyd. They were looking at the civilians as if to keep them from saving a person who was being murdered by the errant cop. This cop...and his compatriots...deserve the full sword of justice. Lock them up with the other criminals if found guilty. No special holding cages for these animal cops! The system really sucks when we have a miscreant of a cop who is brought up repeatedly on abuse of power and yet he still "serves". Is that the right term....."serves"? The other cops who stood idly by as a civilian was being murdered are as guilty as the one who did the deed. For those of you who support the cop, I want you to think of the next time you run a stop sign...if you would really like these cops to pull you over? Perhaps you might feel the knee to the neck. Why? Because you broke the law.

FYI there was a case almost identical to Floyd’s. The man who died was white. It didn’t even make the national news. The officers involved were all acquitted. No looting no burning...

Resisting arrest while on the ground and handcuffed behind his back. I don’t see the logic in that.

Soooo, Defund the cops. Who would you call if you had an intruder that was going to harm you or possibly rape your wife or daughter. You would probably tell them that's not nice.
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Never made a drug arrest of a meth or crack infused suspect, violently resisting, did you?

I'm kind of wondering - what was it about the EMS arriving on the scene, that made George Floyd suddenly no longer qualify as a threat that needed Chauvin's knee to remain on his neck? Did the EMS sprinkle magick pixie dust over them? Because - Floyd was already completely unconscious and unresponsive before the EMS arrived but Chauvin refused to get up until being approached by the EMS responder. And even then, he didn't make sure Floyd was still being restrained by the other officers and the EMS's hand/knee replacing his knee, before he got up. He just - got up. Like he knew there wasn't anything Floyd was gonna do about it all along.

Are you a doctor or someone who determines cause of death as a profession? I was trained each year in restraining offenders in my job. We were told never keep a person on their stomach for a length of time and I also remember something about time and his dangerous if is to keep your weight on them when they are face down. I have been retired since 2011 so can’t remember all the details but I don’t think you can come to the conclusion that that didn’t kill him without seeing the autopsy!

Link to that please !

Thanks

Are you saying those crimes warrant the death penalty?

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hmm, Even after he died, many here did it again and again>

I don't see him moving.
No flickering of the eyelids,
No pulse,
Lips turning a grayish color.
No breath at all.
No movement.

Yes folks - we beat the dead horse.
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If he can say I can't breathe then he is actually breathing.

You do know who is on trial here and you have read the various coroner reports, right ?

Of course facts and truth take a back seat to some....

Lawyer: Officer'''s knee to neck killed man during 2018 arrest - ABC News

Family: 30-year-old Angelo Quinto died after Northern California police placed knee on his neck - ABC11 Raleigh-Durham

'''You'''re gonna kill me!''': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa'''s life

These are just a couple that made some national news but went nowhere because it didn't fit the racial narrative that the MSM likes to spew.

Actually I was working in downtown Atlanta at the time, there were riots and violence celebrating their 'win'. There's usually burning by some whatever the verdict.

Thanks.

I apologize for doubting, but so much is made up on here, but thanks for the links.

Used to be I came on this forum for this kind of thing. To become more informed.

So you think that this is all so black people can buy stuff? What a racist comment.

Of course Mr Floyd should have been more articulate in his symptom description to fit your requirement. Perhaps "Officer Sir, I am experiencing dyspnea which is being exacerbated by your femur compressing my trachea." Would that work for you? I'll go with the short hand of "I can't breathe" as fully informative.

It does not matter if Mr Floyd was a past or present criminal. Cops are not authorized to kill people because of their history past or present. It does not matter if he had a bad heart. Only one question needs to answered by the jury. Did Chauvin's action shorten Floyd's life. If he died one second earlier than he would have without Chauvin's knee on his neck, that fits the definition of the criminal statute as murder or manslaughter. Why is that so hard to understand by people like you?

If I have terminal pancreatic cancer, that doesn't mean you can kill me. The law here even prohibits mercy killing where I am near death and you help me. See, the law is consistent. You cannot speed someone's death by your actions. Even if they are a criminal, even if they might have passed a counterfeit bill, even if they have drugs in their system.

Unless you actually are so warped by your political viewpoint that you believe Mr Floyd would have died at that exact moment no matter whether he was sitting on a park bench, or having his airway obstructed and blood flow to his brain obstructed, you need to understand that the law says Chauvin is responsible for his earlier than otherwise may have happened death. We will see how the charge of the judge presents the law. Pay great attention to how the judge explains the law. It will be up to the jury to decide which crime if any fits his actions.

George Floyd absolutely died from aphixiation caused by the police officer’s knee. He literally killed this unarmed, handcuffed black man for no reason whatsoever! How many police officers do you need to handle a handcuffed man? Cut me a break - the videos don’t lie! I hope Chauvin gets the death penalty - even that is too good for this murderer.

[QUOTE=retiredguy123;1922765]Police training videos show that putting a knee on a person's neck is an acceptable restraining procedure. This was not the cause of death. George Floyd was 6 foot 3 and weighed 225 pounds. Chauvin was 5 foot 9 and weighed 145 pounds. Floyd was resisting arrest and was high on drugs. Put yourself in Chauvin's position. I hope he is found not guilty. My 2 cents.

Kudos for sticking to facts and not trying to promote the left’s agenda. :bigbow:

Yup. :clap2:

There are techniques for this type of restraint but The cop did not follow the correct procedures and most police departments do not use this type of restraint. .they have to receive special training.

I was trained by the police departments trainer several years in a row and we were told never to leave a person on their stomach as you are restricting their ability to breath. If they are cuffed in this position you get them on their side as soon as possible and have them sit up. It is dangerous to have a person in that position for any length of time.

Do all black people loot? Of course not but quite a few actually do use it as an excuse to get stuff for nothing because they know they will get away with it.

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OK now. I'm taking bets in how much longer this Thread will last.

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Isn't that both the saddest and yet the truest of statements depicting the state of this once proud and now deteriorating nation. I am saddened watching the downfall of the greatest civilization ever. I didn't think I would live to see it but apparently I will. Very sorry for our youth but they are doing nothing to prevent it. The saying you made your bed now you have to sleep in it comes to mind.

We are nearing the very bottom.

I'll raise that two cents and just agree.

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Except the knee had little to nothing to do with his death. He was gasping for air and saying he couldn't breath while still in the police car. Cause of death enlarged heart from overdose and drug use. Over zealous use of force? maybe, murder? No he was already dying. But as previous poster stated a not guilty verdict will result in burning cities instigated by imported thugs who don't have to live there afterward. Very very sad

George Floyd tested positive for the Coronavirus at the time of his death. Was he coded as another Covid death?...