Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2159221)

I’d be very surprised if he got much time if any. Probably community service and probation.

This whole thing would have been a big nothingburger if he would have simply admitted that he made a mistake by secretly talking about county business. But instead he decided to lie under oath. That has proven to be a stupid decision.

Originally Posted by PJackpot (Post 2159533)

I don't get this whole not being able to talk about county business thing. Congress survives on that idea. Not only that, they are always arm twisting and threatening each other over congressional issues, but a county commissioner cannot? WTF?

Originally Posted by Dotgipe (Post 2159536)

Prison is for dangerous offenders convicted of murder, rape or child molestation. Intelligent people can’t come up with better punishments??? It costs too much to put these people in prison

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2159541)

So "lesser" criminal (drug dealers, burglars, assaulters, etc.) should be out on the streets among us???? Personally, I could easily come up with a lot more prison space with a lot less cost. Barracks, triple razor wire fence, machine gun towers, all surrounded by a minefield and a red line with a simple sign "Ye who enter here will die". Some farm implements, some seed, and a "cooler" for all the Steve McQueen wannabees. Simple, effective, and cheap. And I bet the crime rate would plummet as well.

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2159330)

Absolutely the most brilliant idea I've ever heard of, eliminate the Sunshine Laws. Yeah!!! Let the politicians get behind closed doors and work out all kinds of back room deals that financially/politically benefit them and screw the taxpayers. I've got a news flash, politicians don't do anything behind closed doors that benefits the public. The only politician you can trust is the one you have with your gun to his head.

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2159130)

Now that Oren Miller is a convicted felon and is off the streets of the Villages does anyone feel safer? Let’s see, a harmless senior citizen whose trivial crime was misremembering (that’s a Roger Clemens term) the details of some telephone conversations is now behind bars. Meanwhile, wife beaters, drug dealers, drunken drivers, golf cart thieves, and many other dangerous criminals we should all be afraid of are walking around freely on our streets.

Something is seriously wrong with this picture. The moral of the story is that it’s not the crime one commits, it’s the people in high places that one rubs the wrong way that really matters.

Originally Posted by Bellavita (Post 2159573)

Its a sad day in the villages when you can hit two people on a bicycles nearly kill them run from the crime and still not be in jail, When poor Orin made a phone call and is in jail.

A shot from over the bow to anyone who wants to run for public office and not tote the company line. Sure didn't feel like the "Friendliest Hometown".

Not only do they put him in jail until sentencing like a real criminal. wow just wow.

All of us should be outraged at the unbalance of the scales of justice.

Originally Posted by Bellavita (Post 2159573)

Its a sad day in the villages when you can hit two people on a bicycles nearly kill them run from the crime and still not be in jail, When poor Orin made a phone call and is in jail.

A shot from over the bow to anyone who wants to run for public office and not tote the company line. Sure didn't feel like the "Friendliest Hometown".

Not only do they put him in jail until sentencing like a real criminal. wow just wow.

All of us should be outraged at the unbalance of the scales of justice.

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2159463)

It had nothing to do with the animal shelter. It had to do with Oren trying to protect the citizens of Sumter County from the developer with his hand in their pockets. Oren beat the developer's lackey in an election, so he had to be punished.

Originally Posted by yellowtownhouse (Post 2159592)

I have been reading thru this entire post waiting for someone to FINALLY speak the truth regarding what was REALLY behind this! Thank you "gypsy".........inquiring minds wanted to know.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2159584)

Here we go again. "Poor Orin".:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

"Poor Orin" began by running on a party ticket that he was in lifelong opposition to because he knew he would be unelectable if he stuck with them
He then took an oath of office that included abiding by the Sunshine statutes of Florida. He then broke those laws and his oath. He then committed FELONY PERJURY at least twice.

Yep, "poor Orin". Hate to think he might now be punished for his CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

Originally Posted by Mrs.Guy (Post 2159602)

Yeah, poor Oren! What if the commissioner's name was different and the outcome was the same..... well, then I think some of these posters feeling sorry for poor Oren would be lined up fighting with each other to mix up the cocktail for the lethal injection. :cryin2:

Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2159308)

So, they can't meet privately with activists or lobbyists?:icon_wink: :icon_wink:

Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2159640)

Simple Sunshine Law example ... 2 or more members of the County Commission can not discuss county business privately.

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2159655)

Except that he wasn't found guilty of violating Florida's sunshine law. He was found guilty of lying about it under oath. Hence, "perjury".

Originally Posted by Mrs.Guy (Post 2159602)

Yeah, poor Oren! What if the commissioner's name was different and the outcome was the same..... well, then I think some of these posters feeling sorry for poor Oren would be lined up fighting with each other to mix up the cocktail for the lethal injection. :cryin2:

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2159701)

Great, you're a psychiatrist, could I get a few sessions with you? Back when I was about 11 years old my parents didn't buy this red Schwinn bicycle I wanted. I was devastated as the neighbor boy had gotten a brand new one for his birthday and I was so envious. Is that the reason I use words that have subconscious meanings? Come on jim, I could really use some help to understand why I do what I do!

Originally Posted by Bruce3055 (Post 2159273)

For the most part, I hope the sunshine law is widely dis-regarded. I can't imagine any responsible leaders not talking with each other outside of formal meetings. It seems business would grind to a halt if they didn't.

Now why Miller didn't take a plea bargain if offered the same as his partner in crime is beyond me especially when he knew he was going to testify against him. But then again, maybe the pleas deal wasn't really offered to him.

And I'm disappointed about the tax payers dollars spent on this case. I sure hope he doesn't get sentenced to more jail time for his crime. I think the stress he's already gone through will keep him from taking on politicians in the future.

And I agree to throw him in jail awaiting sentencing is over the top. It reminds me of how many high level convicted folks are out on appeal - why not Miller.

One thing I can be almost glad for is the reporting on this case is hopefully almost done. It's been embarrassing.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2159541)

So "lesser" criminal (drug dealers, burglars, assaulters, etc.) should be out on the streets among us???? Personally, I could easily come up with a lot more prison space with a lot less cost. Barracks, triple razor wire fence, machine gun towers, all surrounded by a minefield and a red line with a simple sign "Ye who enter here will die". Some farm implements, some seed, and a "cooler" for all the Steve McQueen wannabees. Simple, effective, and cheap. And I bet the crime rate would plummet as well.

Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2159849)

Our legal system. Assuming the person in INNOCENT. You are offered an, "opportunity," to go to trial and that is VERY expensive and risky-you can, reminder INNOCENT, be found guilty.
You are often offered another, "opportunity," and that is to sign that you are guilty of a lesser crime. Reminder-you are not guilty.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2159853)

Yes, drug dealers. assaulters, and burglars should NOT be out on the street among us. But, unfortunately, they ARE because the Police only catch a certain % of them.