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Taltarzac725 11-21-2022 12:48 PM
The way the paper handled this was appalling. They pretty much prosecuted him in the paper for months and often with front page articles. These were often repeated as well or so it seemed.

The man Oren Miller basically just went into the lion's den and did not realize this until it was too late.

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Originally Posted by Bellavita (Post 2159573)
Its a sad day in the villages when you can hit two people on a bicycles nearly kill them run from the crime and still not be in jail, When poor Orin made a phone call and is in jail.

A shot from over the bow to anyone who wants to run for public office and not tote the company line. Sure didn't feel like the "Friendliest Hometown".

Not only do they put him in jail until sentencing like a real criminal. wow just wow.

All of us should be outraged at the unbalance of the scales of justice.

golfing eagles 11-21-2022 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bellavita (Post 2159573)
Its a sad day in the villages when you can hit two people on a bicycles nearly kill them run from the crime and still not be in jail, When poor Orin made a phone call and is in jail.

A shot from over the bow to anyone who wants to run for public office and not tote the company line. Sure didn't feel like the "Friendliest Hometown".

Not only do they put him in jail until sentencing like a real criminal. wow just wow.

All of us should be outraged at the unbalance of the scales of justice.
Here we go again. "Poor Orin".:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

"Poor Orin" began by running on a party ticket that he was in lifelong opposition to because he knew he would be unelectable if he stuck with them
He then took an oath of office that included abiding by the Sunshine statutes of Florida. He then broke those laws and his oath. He then committed FELONY PERJURY at least twice.

Yep, "poor Orin". Hate to think he might now be punished for his CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

yellowtownhouse 11-21-2022 01:44 PM
Ahaaa
 
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2159463)
It had nothing to do with the animal shelter. It had to do with Oren trying to protect the citizens of Sumter County from the developer with his hand in their pockets. Oren beat the developer's lackey in an election, so he had to be punished.
I have been reading thru this entire post waiting for someone to FINALLY speak the truth regarding what was REALLY behind this! Thank you "gypsy".........inquiring minds wanted to know.

golfing eagles 11-21-2022 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by yellowtownhouse (Post 2159592)
I have been reading thru this entire post waiting for someone to FINALLY speak the truth regarding what was REALLY behind this! Thank you "gypsy".........inquiring minds wanted to know.
Yeah, right:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I think you'll find the truth in post #93

Mrs.Guy 11-21-2022 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2159584)
Here we go again. "Poor Orin".:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

"Poor Orin" began by running on a party ticket that he was in lifelong opposition to because he knew he would be unelectable if he stuck with them
He then took an oath of office that included abiding by the Sunshine statutes of Florida. He then broke those laws and his oath. He then committed FELONY PERJURY at least twice.

Yep, "poor Orin". Hate to think he might now be punished for his CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
Yeah, poor Oren! What if the commissioner's name was different and the outcome was the same..... well, then I think some of these posters feeling sorry for poor Oren would be lined up fighting with each other to mix up the cocktail for the lethal injection. :cryin2:

Taltarzac725 11-21-2022 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Guy (Post 2159602)
Yeah, poor Oren! What if the commissioner's name was different and the outcome was the same..... well, then I think some of these posters feeling sorry for poor Oren would be lined up fighting with each other to mix up the cocktail for the lethal injection. :cryin2:
Oren Miller will probably be OK after the dust settles. The image of the Villages will be dirtier though.

Villages Kahuna 11-21-2022 03:25 PM
The Developer always gets his way. That’s what you call hard ball politics.

Now the Sumter County board is back in the firm control of the Morse family. Thanks to them and Ron DeSantis, who appointed the replacements they proposed.

And that, my friends, is how you overturn a landslide election victory.

kingofbeer 11-21-2022 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2159308)
So, they can't meet privately with activists or lobbyists?:icon_wink: :icon_wink:
Simple Sunshine Law example ... 2 or more members of the County Commission can not discuss county business privately.

ThirdOfFive 11-21-2022 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2159640)
Simple Sunshine Law example ... 2 or more members of the County Commission can not discuss county business privately.
Except that he wasn't found guilty of violating Florida's sunshine law. He was found guilty of lying about it under oath. Hence, "perjury".

No special interest, developer-backed or otherwise, found Oren Miller guilty of perjury. A jury of his peers did that, in exactly (as I recall the report) twenty-seven minutes.

Oren Miller violated the law. A jury of his peers found that he was guilty of that beyond a reasonable doubt. The judge will now impose sentence as prescribed by law.

End of story.

tophcfa 11-21-2022 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2159655)
Except that he wasn't found guilty of violating Florida's sunshine law. He was found guilty of lying about it under oath. Hence, "perjury".
That’s because violating the Sunshine law is a misdemeanor. The orchestrators of the witch hunt wanted to make a bold statement so nobody else would dare consider supporting policy that is inconsistent with their agenda. Hence the highly unusual allocation of state resources to find a way to cook up a felony charge on a county commissioner. If the county commissioner in question was Bradley Arnold instead of Oren Miller the whole thing would have been a total non event.

Marathon Man 11-22-2022 08:19 AM
There is a lesson in all this. If you are going up against the big guy who you think is dirty, you better stay clean yourself. Never hand a bullet to the guy with the gun.

John-US 11-22-2022 09:22 AM
Safe? nope- in the land of misfits

Love2Swim 11-22-2022 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Guy (Post 2159602)
Yeah, poor Oren! What if the commissioner's name was different and the outcome was the same..... well, then I think some of these posters feeling sorry for poor Oren would be lined up fighting with each other to mix up the cocktail for the lethal injection. :cryin2:
No they wouldn't, because they don't think that way, with such negativity and hate.

jimjamuser 11-22-2022 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2159701)
Great, you're a psychiatrist, could I get a few sessions with you? Back when I was about 11 years old my parents didn't buy this red Schwinn bicycle I wanted. I was devastated as the neighbor boy had gotten a brand new one for his birthday and I was so envious. Is that the reason I use words that have subconscious meanings? Come on jim, I could really use some help to understand why I do what I do!
Good, we have made a minor breakthrough. We have established that the Id possesses a sense of humor. We can build on that in our next session. Check with my secretary about the next available time slot.

DAVES 11-22-2022 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce3055 (Post 2159273)
For the most part, I hope the sunshine law is widely dis-regarded. I can't imagine any responsible leaders not talking with each other outside of formal meetings. It seems business would grind to a halt if they didn't.

Now why Miller didn't take a plea bargain if offered the same as his partner in crime is beyond me especially when he knew he was going to testify against him. But then again, maybe the pleas deal wasn't really offered to him.

And I'm disappointed about the tax payers dollars spent on this case. I sure hope he doesn't get sentenced to more jail time for his crime. I think the stress he's already gone through will keep him from taking on politicians in the future.

And I agree to throw him in jail awaiting sentencing is over the top. It reminds me of how many high level convicted folks are out on appeal - why not Miller.

One thing I can be almost glad for is the reporting on this case is hopefully almost done. It's been embarrassing.
Our legal system. Assuming the person in INNOCENT. You are offered an, "opportunity," to go to trial and that is VERY expensive and risky-you can, reminder INNOCENT, be found guilty.
You are often offered another, "opportunity," and that is to sign that you are guilty of a lesser crime. Reminder-you are not guilty.


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