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RedChariot 11-21-2022 07:52 AM
Go against the Developer and they will bury you. Few of us are any match for their power, money, and influence. We don't stand a chance.

Judy n Ron 11-21-2022 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2159130)
Now that Oren Miller is a convicted felon and is off the streets of the Villages does anyone feel safer? Let’s see, a harmless senior citizen whose trivial crime was misremembering (that’s a Roger Clemens term) the details of some telephone conversations is now behind bars. Meanwhile, wife beaters, drug dealers, drunken drivers, golf cart thieves, and many other dangerous criminals we should all be afraid of are walking around freely on our streets.

Something is seriously wrong with this picture. The moral of the story is that it’s not the crime one commits, it’s the people in high places that one rubs the wrong way that really matters.
We wholly agree and are outraged. Oren and Angie are great folks who only want to give back to the community. This is witch hunting in the first degree. His alleged partner in crime , however, got a slap on the wrist to testify against his "friend." The Daily Sun took great pleasure in their yellow journalistic approach to Oren's case. We think the Sun staff, and prosecutors in this should spend a week on the subways of New York or the streets of Chicago and see what real crime is.

OhioBuckeye 11-21-2022 07:56 AM
Ohiobuckeye
 
Well we don’t live in TV anymore but if we or anywhere else, I wouldn’t hang out with him or be his buddy. He the kind of person that I wouldn’t want him around us senior citizens. I don’t know could TV’s legally not allow him & his wife to live their as long as he did’t do anything wrong. We don’t know if any of the millions of illegals have a prison record!

pirwin 11-21-2022 08:03 AM
Oren Miller secretly talking
 
Isn't talking secretly what politicians do? Isn't that also what people who influence politicians also do? Of course, oaths have no meaning if an oath to tell the truth can be ignored with impunity, but how can one prove that an alleged liar has not simply misremembered, a failure of many of us in The Villages?

Then there is the elephant in the room. Why is a commonplace secret political conversation of such importance that it deserves a court case? Who benefits? Is Justice truly being served?

midiwiz 11-21-2022 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2159130)
Now that Oren Miller is a convicted felon and is off the streets of the Villages does anyone feel safer? Let’s see, a harmless senior citizen whose trivial crime was misremembering (that’s a Roger Clemens term) the details of some telephone conversations is now behind bars. Meanwhile, wife beaters, drug dealers, drunken drivers, golf cart thieves, and many other dangerous criminals we should all be afraid of are walking around freely on our streets.

Something is seriously wrong with this picture. The moral of the story is that it’s not the crime one commits, it’s the people in high places that one rubs the wrong way that really matters.
well not when you look at the sex offenders site...... makes you go "hmmmmmm"

jmaccallum 11-21-2022 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2159221)
I’d be very surprised if he got much time if any. Probably community service and probation.

This whole thing would have been a big nothingburger if he would have simply admitted that he made a mistake by secretly talking about county business. But instead he decided to lie under oath. That has proven to be a stupid decision.
Agree.

All he had to do was say, “Yeah, we made some phone calls. Sorry. Won’t happen again.” He would have been fined a couple hundred $$ and probably still be a commissioner. That’s how it has worked for many who have “inadvertently” compromised the Sunshine Laws in Florida.

sallyg 11-21-2022 08:19 AM
I think the message is crystal clear.

airstreamingypsy 11-21-2022 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2159207)
I feel safer knowing he can’t build his wife her own personal multi million dollar animal rescue facility with our tax dollars.
It had nothing to do with the animal shelter. It had to do with Oren trying to protect the citizens of Sumter County from the developer with his hand in their pockets. Oren beat the developer's lackey in an election, so he had to be punished.

waterflower 11-21-2022 08:28 AM
The B.A.R. (british accredited registry)-who controls the judges and esq. They are loyal to the crown not we the people. Maritime law, common law. 2 constitutions, military law etc. It is all against us modern day slaves. SIR-slave I remain. Research research research.

Kenswing 11-21-2022 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2159410)
The punishment hardly fit the crime.

If the sun had its way he would be public enemy number one.

In other words if the developer doesn't get his way one way he will get it another.

Remind me never to run for public office.
What punishment? He hasn’t even been sentenced yet.

Cripe115 11-21-2022 08:33 AM
I agree, he should have admitted he was wrong and I’ve wouldn’t be in jail, and grandpas shouldn’t lie.

tuccillo 11-21-2022 08:39 AM
He should have had council when he was interviewed under oath. I am assuming he didn't because I find it hard to believe any competent council would have allowed him to answer a question if he had any doubts about whether it was true. Alternatively, he should have not answered any questions. Hindsight, as they say, is 20/20.

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Originally Posted by Cripe115 (Post 2159468)
I agree, he should have admitted he was wrong and I’ve wouldn’t be in jail, and grandpas shouldn’t lie.

Wondering 11-21-2022 08:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2159130)
Now that Oren Miller is a convicted felon and is off the streets of the Villages does anyone feel safer? Let’s see, a harmless senior citizen whose trivial crime was misremembering (that’s a Roger Clemens term) the details of some telephone conversations is now behind bars. Meanwhile, wife beaters, drug dealers, drunken drivers, golf cart thieves, and many other dangerous criminals we should all be afraid of are walking around freely on our streets.

Something is seriously wrong with this picture. The moral of the story is that it’s not the crime one commits, it’s the people in high places that one rubs the wrong way that really matters.
Well said! Ain't that the truth!

itrainum@aol.com 11-21-2022 09:22 AM
Or hunter B just to keep this politically neutral.

golfing eagles 11-21-2022 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2159463)
It had nothing to do with the animal shelter. It had to do with Oren trying to protect the citizens of Sumter County from the developer with his hand in their pockets. Oren beat the developer's lackey in an election, so he had to be punished.
That would be one view---essentially, it's OK to commit a felony if it is for "the greater good"

The other view would be that a lifelong member of one party switched for the sole purpose of getting elected, and then pursued an anti-"company" agenda in a company town, violated the state Sunshine statutes, then committed perjury and worst of all got caught. Now people want to look the other way???? I thought we were a nation of laws.


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