Being careful about one contagious disease makes you safer from other contagious diseases.

What if, it was not Covid-19 but rather Ebola which makes you bleed to death from the inside and the outside and kills 50% of people infected. People returned from Africa with it about seven years ago and one woman in Maine refused to be quarantined and she got away with it.............

Just a reminder...This is when we had a surgeon general from a small community without National Experience and she was picked for reasons other than skill level.


Ebola
Medical Condition
A deadly viral infection that leads to profuse internal and external bleeding.
How common is condition?
Extremely rare (Zero cases in US in 2015)
How is condition transmitted?
Transmitted through direct contact
Is condition preventable by vaccine?
No vaccine available
Does diagnosis require lab test or imaging?
Often requires lab test or imaging
Is condition treatable?
Treatments can help manage condition, no known cure
Time taken for recovery
Can be lifelong
Ebola virus, causing outbreaks of fatal infection, is transmitted from infected animals such as fruit bats, chimpanzees, and monkeys to humans via their blood, secretions, and meat. Sudden onset of fever, fatigue, headache, that progresses to vomiting, diarrhea, and bleeding inside and outside the body. There is no proven treatment available. Supportive care includes maintaining electrolyte balance (by providing intravenous fluids), oxygen level and blood pressure.
Symptoms
Symptoms of ebola virus infection are generally noted 2 - 21 days after the virus enters the body.
Early noticeable symptoms include sudden onset of:
Fever
Fatigue
Joint and muscle pain
Headache
Sore throat
Cough
Symptoms noted with disease progression include:
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Rash
Unexplained bruising
Internal and external bleeding such as bleeding from gums and blood in stools
Weight loss
Treatments
There is no definite treatment like an antiviral medication available for Ebola virus infection. Timely supportive care improves chances of survival. Medication is given to maintain blood pressure or to treat other conditions.
Self care
Avoid any kind of sexual contact.
Take your medications as prescribed.
Do not miss your follow- up visits.
Maintain personal hygiene.
Therapies: Rehydration · Oxygen therapy
Causes
Ebola virus is primarily found in wild animals, particularly fruit bats. It can infect monkeys and porcupines. It can spread from animals or human to human. In humans, the Ebola virus spreads by direct contact with:
Bodily fluids (blood, secretions, saliva, sweat, urine, semen) from infected person
Feces or vomit from the infected person
Organs of infected people
Contaminated surfaces
Breast milk
Sexual contact
Transmission of the virus can also be through eyes, nose, mouth and broken skin
Risk factors include -
Exposure to infected objects, such as needles
Interaction with infected animals
Working in medical or personal care
Traveling to areas where recent outbreak has occurred
Working in/attending burial services
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Well, Covid is not airborne ebola and if it were you wouldn't have to remind people to stay at home and away from crowds. You wouldn't have parents around the country begging for the schools to reopen. You probably wouldn't get medical attention unless your life literally depended on it. Too dangerous.

And you certainly wouldn't need to have some old guy like Fauci scolding people not to go to Super Bowl parties tonight. Don't compare a Cat 5 hurricane to a tropical storm. Yes, it's possible for people to die or get hurt regardless of the force of the storm but people are going to naturally react a whole lot differently with a Cat 5 vs some blustery winds and rain.

If all of these precautions were enough to virtually eradicate the flu, then one would think that Covid would have gone away, too. But, nope. The Covid numbers only change dramatically when the numbers are manipulated by the people counting them.

For some it is a Hurricane. It is not as dangerous for people who are younger but as we age this becomes extremely dangerous. One out of ten my age will die from it if they get it.

I have an intense interest in continuing to live and a few other folks seem to wish that too.

Covid-19 IS airborne and has now become increasingly more contagious. I don't understand your making light of it.

After an entire year of hysteria, quarantines, divisive rhetoric, media hype, draconian social controls and useless economic devastation, does anyone but me believe that, had this virus been allowed to run its natural course, herd immunity would have been achieved by now and it would all be just an unpleasant memory? Yes, people have died. People die every year of various diseases, some much more devastating than this one. That's life. In many cities, murders kill innocent people at a prodigious rate, and those deaths are not usually the elderly with concomitant frailties. It is a huge disservice, especially to little children and struggling families, to force them into the unnatural lifestyle they are now experiencing...out of an irrational fear for ones own safety.

People who live in trailer parks are at much higher risk from injury and death due to strong winds. People who live in low lying coastal areas are at much greater risk of severe and life threatening flooding. That is why emergency storm shelters in schools, churches and even stadiums are open for those that need them. We don't expect those who live in hurricane code houses a good distance away from the water to go to the shelters. In fact, that would do nothing but overcrowd our shelters and make things miserable for all involved.

What is prudent in one situation would be ridiculous in another.

Yes, we would have been MUCH better off without all of the government intervention.

The Spanish Flu which was 80x more deadly than Covid ran its course in under 2 years through herd immunity. The mortality rate of the Spanish Flu was much, much higher than Covid. It effected all age groups. Covid predominately kills older people with preexisting conditions. If you are in that category, take the necessary precautions. But to mandate the rest of the population to take the same precautions is ludicrous...

The irony of all this, is that the 'I hate Fauci' crowd would instantly do a 180 with a single positive statement about him - by one person.

No. You are assuming that the people who are skeptical of Fauci are being told to be skeptical. When in reality, we are skeptical because of the way Fauci has jumped all over the board as far as his recommendations go.

If my own doctor was so indecisive, vague and contradictory I would find another doctor - immediately. In the case of expert opinions, why wouldn't I also choose to listen to other medical experts who actually make sense? I am actually shocked that anyone is still giving Fauci airtime.

That is not what I think has been explained in many news reports and articles that I have read and how I understand it. Basically, what you are saying is that 5% of vaccinated people do not have protection from Covid. The way I understand it every person who is vaccinated has a 95% chance of not becoming sick from Covid. The other 5% is the chance of becoming ill but not severely. I have also read that these two mRNA vaccines offer 100% protection of not needing hospitalization. That may be changed at this point in time because of the variants, however.

Here is one article that explains what efficacy means. I may be interpreting incorrectly so anyone have any input about this?......

What does vaccine efficacy mean?

90% effective, basically.

The richer he gets the smarter he gets. Can't believe much he says until he is paid over $500,000.

Sure let's play the analogy game. We'll use your hurricane.

People who know a hurricane is coming, don't all march out into the town square, without their raincoats, cell phones uncharged or left abandoned in their cars, and proceed to dance the night away in the middle of the storm.

What do people who know a hurricane is coming do?

They make sure they have enough supplies, get more if they don't have enough. They bring the supplies home, and they stay put out of the rain until either the storm is over, or until the weatherman says it was a false alarm. The weatherman doesn't know in advance that it will be a false alarm. He doesn't know that, until after someone has already predicted the storm is coming.

Now compare to Dr. Fauci and masks:

Dr. Fauci learned the storm was coming. At that time, he knew that masks were at a premium, and knew the priority needed to be with the people taking care of everyone else. It was also unknown at the time, the severity of the contagion, because it wasn't yet an actual pandemic. So he said "hey folks - don't buy those N95 masks, you don't need to mask up."

Of course people didn't bother to listen to him, and bought out entire stores' worth of masks, toilet paper, paper towels, sanitizers, rubbing alcohol, leaving people who actually NEEDED that stuff for their weekly use (including people who use catheters, who need rubbing alcohol every day), with nothing.

Then, Dr. Fauci learned from the medical scientists and researchers, hey - masks are useful, and important, let's promote that to the public. Which - he did. He said "hey - that information that we TOLD you was incomplete at the time? Well it's complete now. Wear the masks."

He hasn't really stepped back from that. He still promotes mask wearing as one major method of risk reduction.

And for Dr. Fauci, that is what all of his recommendations are about. They are about reducing the risk of infection.

Masks reduce the risk of infection. From who? From everyone. From the community, from you, from your sister, from your bank teller, from the guy who fixes your golf cart.

If you get up close and personal with someone, you should be wearing a mask. If you refuse to wear a mask, then you need to keep your distance from society until the CDC can say with more certainty that it's over, OR until you change your mind and wear a mask.

But OBB, you say, I already had COVID-19. I'm immune now!

To which I respond, great. Congratulations. Put the mask on anyway. Why? Because it sets the example. It provides comfort to your fellow human being, who doesn't know you, and doesn't know you are immune. It is a small, very inexpensive thing for you to do, that is a minor inconvenience in the scheme of things. It is far less convenient for you to wear a mask, than it is to stop at a red light and wait 3 cycles of the light to change until you can take a left turn. You manage to do that without screaming for your rights, don't you? Well - then wear the damned mask.

Why listen to this guy? Follow the money. He is getting very wealthy spouting his "opinion" which is seen as gospel to the uninformed. Information has been conflicting ever since the WHO said this thing is not contagious. Sheep

Steve Hilton worked for the Prime Minister of the UK. He never claimed scientific credentials. The information in question was presented on one of his recent shows with a timeline backed up by documents of Dr. Fauci's direct involvement in providing funding to the Wuhan lab for research into increasing "gain of function"( increasing the virility) of certain bat viruses.

You may call it a conspiracy theory but I find it worthy of further investigation.

Fauci is one voice. The voices of thousands upon thousands of doctors and medical researchers across the world vehemently disagree with him. They have been silenced and discredited by the media and others who share a common agenda. Never in the history of pandemics has there been such a usurpation of personal freedoms. Never in the history of the world has a child been born to a world of faceless automatons. Never have so many had to die of any cause, absent of the comfort of loved ones.

the World Health Organization put out information on 1/25/21 stating masks do nothing to protect anyone and they are unnecessary.

Is there anyone besides me who, in January, 2020, watched an on-line video presentation of a meeting that took place in October, 2019, attended by Bill and Melinda Gates, a representative from John Hopkins, WHO director Tedros, and I believe a pharmaceutical entity? The purpose of the meeting was to propose a scenario whereby a Coronavirus strain from China would/could become a world pandemic? I and others watched the video, which was pulled from circulation shortly after a pandemic was declared. Just curious...

Does one wonder, why unless it is mandatory that Fire fighters, Police officers, Frontline, and healthcare workers are saying NO to the vaccine.

I don’t wonder, I worked with them, and know why they are stepping back.

It’s their decision, and I respect their reasoning. Most of the experienced, or seasoned, have been working since March exposed daily, and are still standing.

Even though I qualify in two areas, I will not be vaccinated for a very long time. Two Epidemiologists, and 3 Physicians, are my guide for my decisions

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby View Post
Steve Hilton is a British political commentator and former political adviser. He is a conspiracy nutjob, has zero scientific credentials, zero actual investigative credentials, and is basically just a political mouthpiece for the alt-right.

Who Dr. Fauci really is, is transparent, and not some secret thing with a hidden agenda. Only a conspiracy nutjob would claim otherwise.

Your "source" is not credible. Not even almost, sorta maybe has a point credible. Just completely and thoroughly not credible.
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As usual OJB makes a lot of unsupported statements. Many medical experts agree that Dr. Fauci needs to be investigated for his role in illegal gain of function virus research that was banned under the Obama administration. And China knows this and that is why they say to stop pointing fingers only at them.

YOUR POST IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE


"A website screenshot being shared on Facebook has falsely claimed that the World Health Organization (WHO) said in a January 2021 press conference that it was advising people without symptoms of coronavirus not to wear face masks."

Fact check: The World Health Organization did not change advice to say masks are not necessary | Reuters

PLEASE get off of Facebook and do not use that source as any kind of news source on any subject.

You do your self a disservice and reflects on anything you say.....FACTS matter.......especially if you actually believe the tripe being shared on these sources. This is your health and others and you are sharing LIES.

Talk to your family on Facebook, if you must but for goodness sake do not share lies

Please give us a link that includes info from the WHO that says this "thing is not contagious". I never heard that from any agency, doctor, expert or news source. Are you sure you got that right?

Can you share any of the "Many medical experts" that you are citing ????

ALSO, provide a link to the "illegal gain of function virus research that was banned under the Obama"

Hogwash! Do not believe that last part of the statement at all. In fact, please give us a link to that information from the WHO.

Masks may not be very protective for the person wearing the mask but they do help to slow the spread via source control. Masks are most certainly necessary for that reason alone.

I agree that he was "used" to make political points by others.....I agree that people in high places flat our lied about him, and defamed him both in public and private.

anthony fauci Archives - FactCheck.org

He was defamed and verbally abused and stood his ground, never flinched and as time goes on is once again proven to be on the right track.

He never gave into personal attacks and has always maintained his professional stance.

Fact-checking Sen. Marco Rubio's criticism of Dr. Anthony Fauci - CNNPolitics

See post #100.

This is just another mean and malicious attack on others from a group that seems to enjoy being malicious and mean spirited. A group that will go down in history but certainly on the wrong side and with nothing to even prop up knowingly supporting lies and liars

Oops. How did I miss that post? Thanks.

The question you ask is a wise one. Immunity is complex. Every year a better understanding of the multiple pathways by which we fight off disease is gained. Vaccines AKA immunizations, work because they expose your body to the disease causing organism, or some part of the disease organism. This exposure triggers your body to create two kinds of weapons to attack the disease. One kind is antibodies, this is the kind most often measured to see if you are "immune" to the disease. But there are also other responses mostly involving creating cells that attack the organism in one way or another, the most common are t-cells.

Some vaccines actually use the entire organism either weakened or killed. Polio and chicken pox are examples. Some vaccines instead have lab created proteins which are mimics of critical proteins from the disease organisms, Hepatitis B for example. The two new mRNA vaccines take a third approach. Instead of making the critical protein in the lab then injecting it, they have your body make the critical protein. The effect is the same.. your body is exposed to a foreign protein [in this case a spike protein].

Don't get too focused on contract vs replicate. For a virus, or bacteria, to make you ill there must be enough disease organism to produce symptoms. Once you are protected by a vaccine you can still have that germ get into your body, over and over. Once the germ is in you it is a race to see whether the germ can multiply rapidly enough to make you ill versus your body's immune system hunting down and killing the germ before it reaches the level of clinical illness. So a fully "immune" person can still have the germ enter their body and begin to multiply or replicate.

Interestingly each time you are exposed to the illness, it is expected that will act as a natural booster. There is no data yet that can tell with certainly how long a person who had clinical Covid will have protection from the disease. And similarly for someone who has been vaccinated.

People who say "I've had Covid so I can't catch it" are 100% wrong if by catch you mean have Covid enter your body and replicate. People who on this website tell you that you will need a booster have no science to support that, yet. People who tell you that you will not need a booster have no science to support that, yet.

If the CDC in a year declares no boosters are necessary, they may come back a few years, or months later and say boosters are necessary. That would be because the data changed. One reason it may change is once there is less circulating Covid we all will have fewer community exposures, thus fewer booster events.

Are you saying you personally saw the video of this meeting? And that the Gateses were there, and Dr. Tedros was there? You remember those details. And the discussion was about a Chinese coronavirus? You remember that detail also. But mysteriously the video disappeared from the internet which you find curious but apparently that suggests some evil reason to you. Do I have it right?

Wear your mask for the rest of your lives for all I care. Make a fashion statement of wearing a mask. Have fun and be in vogue.
I have no intention of wearing my mask after my second shot. And I have no intention of getting boosters in the following years. Folks on here keep saying that you wear the mask to protect other folks. Sorry, but I do not have the virus and I do not carry the virus. How do I know? Because I have not passed on the virus to my spouse, my children, my neighbors, my in-laws or my siblings. All of them have been around me with none of us wearing masks at one time or another. Therefore, I do not have the virus and I am not carrying it. Yes, I could possibly get some virus spores on my clothes or on my car, from the shopping cart, from a door handle, etc. SO? I am not wearing a mask to make you feel all warm and fuzzy so quit thinking you can shame or guilt everyone into succumbing to your fear/hysteria and conforming to your insistent standards.
I have little faith in the vaccination, but I got it. It makes some of my family feel better, as if they think I might be protected. No one has ever insisted that I get the Flu shot and I haven't had the FLU ever and the flu shot for over fifty years. So, get over your mask cult (it's nice being able to fling that term back at you) and go back to your own miserable lives. I am sure that some of your families are glad you are down here and not near them to make them miserable.
If you think that folks that don't wear a mask are dangerous, then avoid them like you would a barking dog or Holy water. I am sure that I only have a limited amount of time left on this lifespan, so don't agitate me while I attempt to enjoy it in spite of your fear mongering. :spoken:

Now the facts which some people find that using Google and simply typing "gates coronavirus 2019 who" into the search engine gave me as the second hit a USAToday story about the meeting fact checking the online rumors. And as the third hit another fact check debunking the false claim still being made a year later.

Of course our contributor has to up the false material by claiming that Bill and Melinda Gates were at this secret meeting. In fact their foundation was one of the sponsors but they were not there. And while there were representatives from the WHO, its director Dr Tedros was not there either.

Lastly his claim that the videos have been erased from the internet is also false. If you care to watch 4 hours of the pandemic exercise you can at Event 201 videos including discussions and a highlights reel

They did run a coronavirus pandemic because the most likely virus to rapidly spread with high mortality was well known to be coronavirus, SARS and MERS being recent examples. But unlike the claim made that it was a China initiated virus, in the scenario for discussion it originated in a pig farm in South America. But don't let details like the truth get in the way of a feverish conspiracy theory pushed by InfoWars

NO...you mean someone came on this forum and knowingly told everyone an outright lie ?

How do people who support lying, or enable liars even look anyone in the eye ?

Is it that some are incapable of truth or respect for truth ?

I left a group that was someone I worked for and "thought" I respected because they became total and complete liars.

I measure most not because of differing opinions, or agreements, but on the basis of the respect they have for truth.

Some are simply incapable

I applaud you pointing out lies. It needs to be done.

Thanks for the support. The only thing we might see a bit differently is your first thought.. " someone came on this forum and knowingly told everyone an outright lie"

I really think that many posters on this forum, and elsewhere have been told so often that anything the traditional media says is a lie, that anything that comes from a University or a well established organization is a lie. The only sources to be believed are those that know the "truth" like InfoWars and Q and Rush and their other trusted ones. So I honestly think they post what they think is the truth which is why I let things like "Fauci is a liar" go. But some things are so easy to debunk... who was actually at a meeting, did the video disappear.. that kind of thing. Maybe, just maybe, when those facts are shown it will make 1 in 100 of the conspiracists have a spark of curiosity to check whether their material is accurate and their sources are reliable.. then it was worthwhile to take the time to post the facts, the real facts.

I get your point.

But, I think you give these people much to much credit. Over the last few years, their “weakness” whether mental or whatever has been used and their minds manipulated to not care about what is true and what is not.

They have bought into the really obscene....if it’s bad news or does not validate me, it’s fake news..

I honestly do not know whether our country can survive what is happening. Too many do not think for themselves and worship at an obviously wrong altar

Not sure how we escape the weak minded and easily led.

I am not close to always right, but I respect truth...how anyone can be so weak is beyond me, but my country seems to be crammed with weak minds waiting to be led.

Sounds negative, and I suppose it is, but once you lose respect for truth, what’s left ?

You need to look at my post - carefully - and do not extrapolate from what it states to arrive at a convenient point from which to cast aspersions. Yes, I did personally view the entire video, which was shared by other sane and medically knowledgeable people. And yes, it did disappear from the internet, just as I said. Did I imply there was evil intent? No, you and another poster did that for me. I simply asked if anyone on TOTV had seen it before it was removed. That said, since you have brought attention to the elephant in the room, who is in better position to do so than Bill Gates and Microsoft?

That statement is totally incorrect.

PolitiFact | No, WHO didn't just say you don’t need to wear a mask

"After reviewing a transcript of the press conference cited, we didn’t find evidence to support the claim that the WHO said people don’t need to wear masks."

AHHH YES,

Yet another conspiracy theory being floated.

Bad enough our country is in peril because of all the "conspiracies" being fermented.....but on something like public health, it is inexcusable.

You do the old "National Enquirer" proud

You know, I already responded to this post but it really nags at me that people, supposedly with intelligence, are allowed to continue in public with minds that work like that.

We are damaged right now and allowing this to continue is inexcusable.

I do not know the real answer, but allowing people to behave in this manner, and "explaining" it for them is just wrong. Some day, some time they must be made to answer for this strange and weird behavior.

No conspiracy theory has made it to the side of truth. Some are modified a bit, but they are lies nonetheless.

It is nice of you to "understand" them, but the damage is great and continuing. The websites you mention are bizarre and weird places. When "Q" leaders and those like them that you mention have sway and roam the halls of our country, the trouble is not coming......it is here.

What I find amazing is that people are clamoring to get this mRNA vaccine although it’s only had a few months of research and trials! Something that usually requires years! You trust the “powers that be” much more than I do! I sincerely hope it works for you!

As a starting point to understand....

COVID-19 vaccine: How was it developed so fast?