I disagree. The CDC numbers are their best guess but they acknowledge they could be higher or lower, hence the range. Bottom line, I guess, is we have no way of knowing EXACTLY how many have died from the flu over the last few years, but we are "absolutely certain" how many have died from Covid. Food for thought.

"We" aren't "absolutely certain" but I believe the CDC numbers that show more than 500,000 excess deaths in 2020. Lacking any other reasonable explanation, these excess deaths must be due to Covid. While the number of flu deaths in 2018 was in the range 46,000 to 95,000, there were ten times as many Covid-related deaths in 2020.

All deaths matter and it would be nice to reduce the number of any deaths but a new condition that causes one half million deaths in a single year (and additional deaths into the next) is worth special attention.

I understand your perspective but I won't rehash all the other variables in reporting such as how deaths were coded, why there were few flu or pneumonia deaths recorded, etc. People died, that is true. Some even from Covid. But we may never know exactly how many.

I seem to remember lots of health care workers dying in NYC early in the Pandemic.

Not sure which vaccine England is using? But the CV in Africa and Brazil looks different under a microscope. It has been detected in England and they are having 2nd thoughts about opening up their society.

How about counting the amount of refrigerated trucks that were used as makeshift morgues? How about counting the makeshift hospital units that were set up in public ramp garages for the excessive amount of patients? How about counting all those patients that were turned away from hospitals because they were overwhelmed with excess patients? How about those EMTs that had to make decisions of who is transported to hospitals and who was left to die at home? How about all those exhausted health care workers pleading with America to wear masks and social distance? Many of them suffer from PTSD today.

I could go on an on and on and on. Anyone who is not aware of these horrendous scenarios was just not watching, reading and listening to news sources that were reporting what was happening in our country. No sugar coating was done. I saw with my own eyes those scenarios. This was our America??

Ahhhh......that's the key......the media

The problem was you were watching the news. You were shown what they wanted you to see. Fear sells...

How else would I have seen with my own two eyes what was going on in those decimated cities? I watched it unfold on my television and it was not a made for TV movie. It was real life and I was truly disheartened to know that was happening in our country. I never thought I would see anything like that in our lifetime in American cities.

But, it happened. Am I supposed to not believe what is shown on the news source that I watch? As I said already, those scenes were not from a TV movie, they were real life happenings. So, I got to see the devastation and those who watched other news sources were not treated to those horrendous scenes. They censored what was happening. Do you condone that? I surely don't.

"Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see."

You trust what you see and hear where the MSM is concerned, fine. Not many of "us" do
They got you.

Like the NY governor claiming he was out of ventilators and doctors would have to choose which patients would be allowed access to ventilators to survive. As it turns out they didn’t even use their own stockpile. Or the overrun hospitals, where the Javits Center was turned into a temporary hospital, that saw almost no patients. Or the need for the military hospital ship, that sailed away virtually unused. The bodies that had to be stored in refrigerated trucks was because the governor shut down funeral homes. Try that even without Covid and watch the bodies stack up. I can go on, but it’s not worth it. Just keep believing everything the national news media is selling...

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Do you mean to tell me that those refrigerated trucks that were lined up actually had frozen beef inside? Is that what you believe? Those exhausted health care workers were actors? Is that what you believe? Those makeshift hospital units in parking garages were really camp grounds for kids? Is that what you believe?

No , not frozen beef.....just cold air. Believe what you want.