Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1946245)

The flu has apparently been eradicated off of the planet. Some car accident victims apparently wound up as Covid statistics. So maybe car accident deaths are down, too?

It's all a confusing whirlwind.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1946254)

The British variant of CV that is gaining in the US is sickening and killing young children. And I believe that is NOT true about pregnant women.

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1946259)

Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1946271)

Reference please. I did a search and couldn't find anything about variants killing children.

Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1946228)

Per the CDC:
2016-2017 flu deaths 61,000
2017-2018 flu deaths 95,000
2018-2019 flu deaths 53,000

My point was not directed at you but at the false narrative that only Covid deaths matter.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1946269)

Car accidents WERE down due to the quarantine.

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1944457)

Members of my household have been going to their service industry jobs and dealing with the public face to face throughout this pandemic. Even when dentists and primary care physicians had closed their offices and weren't seeing patients, there were workers heading to their jobs at grocery stores, pharmacies, food service, gasoline stations - day in, day out.

That has helped to shape my perspective as to the risks of this virus. When you live with the risk daily, you get a pretty good idea how bad (or not so bad) things really are, at least in terms of yourself and your own family.

I'm the 55 year old mom who had healthy, active teens going to their jobs and schools plus activities. And, I was also the whippersnapper who was out running errands for her elderly mom. I haven't had the luxury of "staying safe" but thankfully we did manage to get through the better part of a year without a vaccine.

Now that the cases are falling, vulnerable people have gotten vaccinated and the actual risks of catching Covid have been greatly reduced we are now supposed to run out and get vaccinated even though we have likely already had the virus, albeit mild cases of it?

Why?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1946274)

ONE person.....statistically that is an N of 1..........basically meaningless.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1946189)

Please give me an example of one adverse side effect. I DO NOT mean the usual side effects such as fever, body aches and generalized flu like symptoms. Tell me about a side effect that is truly adverse.

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1946244)

Why would a well person want fever, body aches and flu like symptoms?

As far as the side effects go, well the data is still coming in on that. Most side effects from the vaccine are mild but, then again, most cases of Covid-19 are mild for those in the lower risk groups.

One of the most serious side effects of the vaccine that I'm aware of were blood clots (thrombosis) associated with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. I've heard of other reported side effects up to, and including, sudden unexplained death following the vaccination.

Are fears of the vaccination overblown? Probably. Are fears of Covid-19 overblown for most people? Probably.

it is not the open/shut case that you might think that it is.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1946252)

Doctors in England are worried about the S. African and Indian variants that are coming into England. They are thinking that they may have to go back to some form of quarantine.

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1946259)

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1946232)

Which CDC page was that? (I suspect you were reading the wrong column)

This CDC page shows the estimates as:
2016-2017: 38,000
2017-2018: 61,000
2018-2019: 34,000


All deaths matter but the number of Covid deaths in the short timeframe and the impact the virus continues to have on the world make Covid a bit different.

When the number of Covid deaths fall to something similar to the flu and when the reaction to a Covid diagnosis is something far less than quarantines and lockdowns then Covid will be just another one of the many killer diseases we wish we could get rid of.

Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1946643)

Past Seasons Estimated Influenza Disease Burden | CDC

You are only posting the estimate not the range.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1946633)

Maybe I should have specified I'm only following and interested in mRNA vaccines. Eric Clapton did not have mRNA vaccine. Amazing that Clapton still had the second shot after suffering a severe problematic reaction after his first shot. Go figure!