Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1944461)

Won’t argue any scientific with you, or anyone, but a few corrections in your post...

1. Dr Faucci was not . The person who made the announcement “ Actually, he was not even the advisor for the WH (that was Dr Brix at the time this announcement was made). This announcement was made on March 16, 2020, not by Faucci.

Fact is, a few days later, after we were told by the government (not Faucci) that this virus would dissipate by July or August of 2020, Faucci actually said that Americans should be staying home for “several weeks”.

Covid: A year later, Trump'''s '''15 days to slow the spread''' shows how little we knew

Fauci predicts Americans will likely need to stay home for at least several more weeks

Not a scientist, but I think the vaccine trials began in December of 2020, and that Pfizer worked with German money and scientific knowledge to get the vaccine going. I am sure that within WHO, there was sharing, however in May 2020, the US pulled out of WHO

I post this and if anything is in error, please correct. It just seems we have serious memory lapses and want to make Faucci the scapegoat always, even when he was not involved. He is not perfect to be sure, but misquoting and using partial truths is not fair.

Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1944749)

Wrong or right, a lot of actions by the gov had a lot to do with the final outcome.
A question that still needs to be answered is: How did this get started?
We KNOW for a fact that OUR government granted/gave China Wu Han lab research money. How much did that have to do with the Covid virus? The Director of NIH stated in a recent interview that the money was not "meant" to be used to weaponize the virus. He said it WAS meant for research into Sars. So, how much does our gov. know that they are not telling us? I understand the need for secrets, but there seems to be an awful lot of effort going into shrugging off the origination explanation of where it started and how it got spread worldwide. What are they hiding?
On a different subject, we are spending trillions of dollars that we do not have on blatant, frivolous spending. Who are we borrowing the money from? Are we printing more money? Who dictates how much money we can print? What is the difference between printing money and borrowing money? I am not an expert in finance or economics so folks like me just want some simple answers in layman terms. How can we be concerned about billions of dollars spent and now welcome trillions to be spent. Because some small percentage is being given to us in the form of Covid relief? No one is worried about the great debt that we are building? Did no one learn anything from Greece's bankruptcy? There are many countries out there waiting to ponce on us like vultures on a wounded animal. Who's going to bail us out, China?
Covid is being used by the gov to waste an awful lot of money and no one is paying attention.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1944492)

Remember "just like the flu, and gone by April - magically".

Everyone made mistakes, everyone was learning as we went.

Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1944814)

Covid is and was a political "planned-demic". Never before has a disease or virus with a 99% survival rate had such extreme measures forced upon its citizens. The ultimate impact financially, emotionally, and socially will never be calculated with the effects on school children, people unable to schedule critical surgeries, attend funerals, weddings, graduations, be with their hispitalized spouses, etc. Pure, unadulterated, absolute insanity driven by unhinged fear.

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1944899)

If we already have natural immunity to the virus that the vaccine is meant to protect against, then why get a vaccine when we are already immune?

For the people who have been out there all along during this pandemic, keeping things running and making it possible for the more vulnerable to stay safe, I think it's only fair to let those workers decide for themselves whether or not to get the vaccine.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1945142)

Correct!

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1944926)

Right. But if you've already had Covid and have recovered from it then you do have natural immunity to it. The workers who were out there all along have already been exposed countless times to the virus, they have likely had the virus already and recovered from it. Most people, thankfully, do not get that sick from it.

Originally Posted by Joe V. (Post 1945066)

Yet the world's migrants all want to come here. They are not charging over the borders of Scandinavia. They must not be as smart as you.

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1945085)

A person who has already had the virus is not going to get any benefit, whatsoever, from getting the vaccine. Why should they feel compelled to expose themselves to possible adverse side effects if the vaccination will do them no good anyway?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1945145)

Over 1/2 MILLION US citizens DIED. That IS significant..... don't you think??????

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1945152)

That's JUST not true.

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1945154)

The point is, that in order for the most vulnerable to stay safe, others had to risk getting Covid to keep our food supply going and our health system operational. Thankfully, Covid was not a big issue for most healthy people.

Those that went to work every day - whether they delivered your pizza to you or made sure that your prescriptions got filled or brought your groceries to you for curbside pick up - deserve our appreciation. Without them, things really would have gotten pretty dire for all of us.

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1945156)

Yes, it is true. And, FWIW, most of the people who are opting not to get the vaccine have some first hand experience with COVID. They are making an informed decision based on their own personal risk factors.

The vaccines have had enough documented, adverse side effects to question the wisdom of getting the vaccine if you've already had and recovered from the virus.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1945162)

I believe that Amazon Prime and Walmart can DELIVER just about anything. They did during the quarantine. The economy was slower, but it continued along. It was safer with less exposure to CV. Florida opened up too soon because of greed for profit over protecting its citizens. The 1st rule of government is NOT to protect the profits - it is to PROTECT the people. That is the point of government because individuals can NOT protect other individuals as well as a regional or federal government can! .......Government 101.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1945098)

Please list the civilized countries we have "bailed out" recently.