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biker1 05-04-2022 01:10 PM

There is a possibility that the decision the SC is going to reach is that it is not a constitutionally (Federal) mandated right and as such the people of each state will get to decide the issue by who they elect at the state level. I don’t think most people understand that - certainly not the talking heads on most opinion shows. The SC is being asked to render a legal argument and Roe has apparently been on questionable legal grounds. Kicking it back to the states to decide makes a lot of sense. No decision has been reached yet.


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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2092082)
Surely such a sensitive and emotive subject should be taken by a national/state referendum?
Seems to big and powerful a subject, to be decided by nine people.
Even to an outsider like myself, it wasn't rocket science to understand how the SC would vote, and what decision they would arrive at, given the political bias of the court.
Most opinion polls show a large majority in favor of Pro Choice.


Bill14564 05-04-2022 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2092081)
Where to draw the line ? sometime before the fetus looks something like a baby and not something that crawled out of a swamp ? That might soothe a lot of feelings, but what is the ethical difference ?,, sure my part in reproduction is easy, the heavy lifting is someone else's problem

I like the arguments in this essay by Carl Sagan. It's long but worth the read.

Taltarzac725 05-04-2022 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stevecmo (Post 2092085)
I trust all you "my body, my choice" folks feel the same about vaccines? Asking for a friend.

An Overview of Abortion Laws | Guttmacher Institute

Abortion laws are very complex. "My body, my choice" also has a lot of limitations with respect to getting an abortion with respect to when, how and where. Vaccines are also a difficult subject to generalize about.

stevecmo 05-04-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2092092)
An Overview of Abortion Laws | Guttmacher Institute

Abortion laws are very complex. "My body, my choice" also has a lot of limitations with respect to getting an abortion with respect to when, how and where. Vaccines are also a difficult subject to generalize about.

Nah, not difficult at all.

MartinSE 05-04-2022 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2092067)
Who is protecting the rights of the fetus/baby??

Is the fetus a human? If not, does it still have rights?

MartinSE 05-04-2022 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stevecmo (Post 2092085)
I trust all you "my body, my choice" folks feel the same about vaccines? Asking for a friend.

I m not sure, but last I heard, pregnancy is not a public health hazard. At least I hope it is not contagious that would change every thing.

MartinSE 05-04-2022 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2092089)
There is a possibility that the decision the SC is going to reach is that it is not a constitutionally (Federal) mandated right and as such the people of each state will get to decide the issue by who they elect at the state level. I don’t think most people understand that - certainly not the talking heads on most opinion shows. The SC is being asked to render a legal argument and Roe has apparently been on questionable legal grounds. Kicking it back to the states to decide makes a lot of sense. No decision has been reached yet.

Well, first, Roe has been changed many time over 50 years, and none have withstood the legal challenge.

Yes, the SCOTUS is making a legal determination of a specific case, and has dragged Roe V Wade into that decision, it was not necessary, but the court decided to do it, which is certain something it can do.

In this case, my preference is that we get a Federal Law that defines the legality of abortions, and what areas are grey - ie. rape, health risk of mother, etc. THEN. the states can refine that to meet their individual constituents desires.

MartinSE 05-04-2022 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2092091)
I like the arguments in this essay by Carl Sagan. It's long but worth the read.

Yes, it is a good read, and addresses the various ways people have made this decision over the ages.

JMintzer 05-04-2022 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2092114)
I m not sure, but last I heard, pregnancy is not a public health hazard. At least I hope it is not contagious that would change every thing.

According to one prolific poster, we have too many people so yes, it is...

JMintzer 05-04-2022 03:58 PM

According to the "Notorious RBG", Roe V Wade wasn't a very good decision...

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Offers Critique of Roe v. Wade During Law School Visit | University of Chicago Law School

Taurus510 05-04-2022 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2092033)
Can’t wait to see how many men on here will be discussing what a woman should or not do with her own body

You mean like the vaccine aficionados telling those who didn’t want a vaccine what they should do with their own bodies?

MartinSE 05-04-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Taurus510 (Post 2092140)
You mean like the vaccine aficionados telling those who didn’t want a vaccine what they should do with their own bodies?

Vaccination is a public health issue, comparing that to abortion is a non-starter.

Taurus510 05-04-2022 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2092142)
Vaccination is a public health issue, comparing that to abortion is a non-starter.

You would be correct. IF the vaccine worked. Now that it is a fact that the vaccines don’t work it is a starter. ( I kinda like being able to declare that an argument is a starter or a non starter. Kinda gives me a God like authority…)

MartinSE 05-04-2022 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Taurus510 (Post 2092144)
You would be correct. IF the vaccine worked. Now that it is a fact that the vaccines don’t work it is a starter. ( I kinda like being able to declare that an argument is a starter or a non starter. Kinda gives me a God like authority…)

I am not sure WHERE you read that, but you are wrong. Ask any hospital worker. Anyway this is off topic and needs to be dropped. We have argued about this for over two years, and there is no one going to change anyone else's minds. I feel sorry for you. But you can believe what you choose.

Taurus510 05-04-2022 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2092146)
I am not sure WHERE you read that, but you are wrong. Ask any hospital worker. Anyway this is off topic and needs to be dropped. We have argued about this for over two years, and there is no one going to change anyone else's minds. I feel sorry for you. But you can believe what you choose.

We’ll, you see, here’s the thing. Not only are many of my co-workers hospital workers, I too am a hospital worker. And yes, I am involved in patient medical care, so do you have any other suggestions?
EDIT: In the interest of transparency, I am retired. I should’ve said that I worked in the hospital. Retired at the end of last year. But, still I will await further instructions.


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