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fdpaq0580 05-05-2022 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2092594)
And how exactly would we know if they are men? Are you going to assume by name and or photo? Hypothetically, if someone has xy chromosomes but identify as a woman, is she allowed to have an opinion?

Allowed? Everyone has an opinion, but, IMO the only one who actually should have the right to choose is the woman being affected by her decision.

thevillages2013 05-05-2022 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2092350)
Do you consider cake batter a cake?

That’s half baked

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2092609)
It's so hard to agree with this when the very premise is not true.
1. 75% of the population cannot have babies, therefore the percent of people being "controlled" could not possibly be 75%. We won't even go into the fact that many women (don't know the percentage) are pro-life. Therefore the number being controlled couldn't possibly be 50%. Then females who have gone through menopause or are pre-adolescent or infertile. You see how the "controlled" is far less than 50%.
2 Your statement that only25% are pro-life is not even close to accurate. So, once you release the "facts" you offer to support your position are "misinformation", it is much harder to provide the desired weight to the argument.

Polls asked people, do you support Roe v Wade? About 20% said....NO they do NOT. Thus, at least 75% said that they DO support Roe. That.s where I get my percentages.
.....Your #1 It doesn't matter how many can have babies. The question is about who agrees that Roe should be the law of the land. Both men and women and young people and older people can have that OPINION regardless of whether they can have babies. They are ENTITLED to an opinion. and I contend that the opinion of the minority 25% should not get their way over the opinion of the 75%. maybe I am talking APPLES and you are thinking ORANGES?
Your #2.........I was not mentioning "pro-life". I was talking about the about 20% that the poll said wanted to eliminate Roe as a precedent. I see this poll as saying that 20% of all Americans want to FORCE a pregnant woman TO HAVE A BABY AGAINST HER WILL. 80% of all Americans want the women to have the right to choose.
.........I see there to be 2 worlds .......one is a progressive freedom-loving FUTURE for WOMEN.
..........and the other world.......is a backward in history return of women to their former role as 2nd class citizens.
..........the 1st world accepts EVERYONE as EQUAL ....women equal to men in pay and all other things. The races as equal and accepts the changing numbers of whites versus non-whites
..........the other world prefers (and hopes) that things NEVER change. That whites are FOREVER seen as superior to non-whites and PAID more. That men are FOREVER seen as superior to women (and laws and other roadblocks will keep women down forever!)
.........One of these worlds is reality and one is a delusion!

fdpaq0580 05-05-2022 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2092654)
That’s half baked

Funny!!😅

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2092613)
Are you going to be the person that determines what is good and what is bad? Or who do you suggest should do that? I am assuming you know how the constitution is amended to keep the good and throw away the bad. But then again, it is the constitution that states how to amend it. Is that part of the good or the bad?

Constitutional law is ABOVE my pay grade.....I admit. But, that does NOT negate what I said. That which needs changing WILL be changed (assuming a world where right prevails over wrong) (as in will the future be democracy or dictatorship?)
.......Everything evolves Humans evolve. Squirrels evolve. EVEN the US Constitution is NOT written in stone. It is NOT perfect. It WILL also EVOLVE! The US is NOT perfect (or even in the top 20 of the world's countries). Please don't let that burst your bubble about US perfection........or cause you to seek out knowledge from world lists of important factors and qualities. Just stay contented in your little bubble!

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2092620)
Perhaps you do not know that states can make their own laws since we became a nation. Not to mention some states have state income taxes and some do not.

You might want to change your post.

OK I can change. How about "The Disunited States of AmeriKa"?

MDLNB 05-05-2022 03:56 PM

Sorry, but a lot of folks do not understand what this is all about.
Folks, it has nothing to do with "women's rights." It's about STATES RIGHTS. The SC doesn't give a rat's @** about whether or not a woman wishes to use abortion as a means of birth control. The SC is looking at whether or not the SC via Roe/Wade had the authority to disregard States Rights regarding making laws.

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottGo (Post 2092621)
I remember a neighbor dying from a coat hanger procedure back in the good ole 60s. Guess we're going backward.

Best, most truthful post so far. We all lived through those days.........except for those so UNFORTUNATE women that are NOT around today. Some people are taking us (the US) back to the future of 2nd class women (and other unfortunates).
........Meanwhile, Norway and Finland are way ahead of us on everything. Many countries have had WOMEN leaders. NOT the US......AKA the Misogynous States of America (MS of A) !!!!!!!!!

PoolBrews 05-05-2022 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2092082)
Surely such a sensitive and emotive subject should be taken by a national/state referendum?
Seems to big and powerful a subject, to be decided by nine people.
Even to an outsider like myself, it wasn't rocket science to understand how the SC would vote, and what decision they would arrive at, given the political bias of the court.
Most opinion polls show a large majority in favor of Pro Choice.

I'm not sure where you get your polls from, but the latest Gallup poll shows 49% favor abortion, and 47% are against it. Not what I would call a "large majority".

And looking at a poll for abortion after 16 weeks "When asked how they would feel if such a law were passed in their state, just over half of voters favor it (54%) while 41% are opposed.

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2092624)
Actually you are mostly wrong.

Many states will now pass laws allowing abortions so people who want them can just take a ride to one of those states and have her abortion.

"just take a ride" .......500 miles to somewhere else in the MS of A ......the Misogynistic States of America.

MartinSE 05-05-2022 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2092630)
We ARE divided by state lines. We are individual states, given the Constitutional right to make laws that can be enforced in our individual states. If you wish to call it "divided" so be it. Thank goodness for diversity, huh?

The states can pass laws, DUH. They can n to pass laws that are in opposition to Federal Laws. If there is no Federal Law and nothing in the constitution that the state law would violate, then the state can. pass what it wants.

I expect eventually we will see a Federal law codifying a woman's right to an abortion - soon.

fdpaq0580 05-05-2022 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2092604)
Rape and murder have also been around forever. Should they therefore be legal? Abortion has not been LEGAL forever, only the last 50 years.

Rape and murder are not the subject in question.
Abortion has been around for as long as humans. It isn't something new. Even in the wild animals will abort when there is need or when certain conditions arise that might make it difficult for the mother to feed or protect her soon to be newborn. Women don't make this decision lightly. It is trying to decide between two undesirable options and should never be trivialized. Only the mother to be should have the right to make the ultimate decision. Once made, she is going to need all the love and support family and friends can give. Either way, her life will be changed forevermore.

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2092624)
Actually you are mostly wrong.

Many states will now pass laws allowing abortions so people who want them can just take a ride to one of those states and have her abortion.

That was ssssssooooooo 222222222 EASY!........... Easy peasy, slightly greasy! Feel the breezy!

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2092628)
You're kidding, right?

Humor drives the point home!

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2092630)
We ARE divided by state lines. We are individual states, given the Constitutional right to make laws that can be enforced in our individual states. If you wish to call it "divided" so be it. Thank goodness for diversity, huh?

States' diversity would be a good thing........UP TO A POINT. Like salt is good, but too much salt is...yuck!
.........Think about TOO much diversity playing a role in 1861.

Caymus 05-05-2022 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2092674)
The states can pass laws, DUH. They can n to pass laws that are in opposition to Federal Laws. If there is no Federal Law and nothing in the constitution that the state law would violate, then the state can. pass what it wants.

The states can also pass laws (Cannabis sales) that violates Federal Law. The Feds may not choose to enforce some laws.

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RVJim (Post 2092634)
Not so easy for every one to travel to another state or country. The wealthy will continue to travel to other states or Canada to obtain the services they desire BUT the poor, uneducated and unsupported will not. This is just another one of many disadvantages that will drive the gulf between the haves and have-nots. The wealthy will always find a way.

I grew up in a very wealthy family. I remember my father saying on many occasions that he really didn't care too much what happened with regard to politics or legislation because he could always buy himself and his family out of any situation that we might find ourselves in. Although he said that many decades ago I think that mindset is very much true today.

Good post. And to piggyback.........today we have the US's GREATEST wealth disparity. And the MOST of ALL 1st world nations. Go US of A.........you are #1

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2092635)
It seems that there are a lot of folks that feel the gov MUST mandate their view and that individual states should not have the right to decide for themselves. This decision would give back the states' Constitutional right under the 10th Amendment. Certain states will continue to allow or regulate abortions and other states will ban abortions or also regulate strictly. Why some insist on mandating for ALL states just because they feel a certain way, is not being very liberal. The decision by the SC will not make abortions illegal. The decision will not limit states from banning abortions. It only means that it finds Roe being flawed and may decide to throw it back in the states purview. The SC is not going to ban abortions, period.
Just a bunch of hysteria over a nothing burger.

I see the situation 180 degrees opposite. Rejecting Roe v Wade will have deep and harmful effects on WOMEN and all of US society and LAWS! Not to mention the next 2 elections.

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 04:30 PM

The plastic coathangers of today may be easier on those needing an abortion than the old steel kind. I guess some would call that social progress after 55 years of Roe.

jimbomaybe 05-05-2022 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092684)
Good post. And to piggyback.........today we have the US's GREATEST wealth disparity. And the MOST of ALL 1st world nations. Go US of A.........you are #1

And the wealthiest "poor" people in the world

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2092640)
How on earth do you come away from this with an idea such as that? Do they use coat hangers to perform abortions today? I do not know of any car that won't make it to the state line on a tank of gasoline. If one state bans abortions, then go to another.

This one is ssssssooooo easy that it just about writes itself............not every poor person in the US owns or has access to an automobile. Maybe the good people of TV Land can arrange a loaner fleet for the NEEDY people?

JMintzer 05-05-2022 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092582)
Further instructions........please avoid the dark web at all costs. Use traditional sources like mainstream TV NEWS.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 05-05-2022 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092584)
I feel so PROLIFIC, so pretty, so witty, and so wise. They can put PROLIFIC on my tombstone.

Is that an offer?

JMintzer 05-05-2022 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092588)
Not necessarily the right default position. And the Constitution is an OLD document written for an EARLIER time period. Time changes and laws change,

Which is why they put in a process to AMEND the Constitution...

JMintzer 05-05-2022 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092590)
"or to the people" That means that we all should vote on this matter by referendum. And have 100% mandated voting every 2 years!

That's the 2nd time you've suggested this ridiculous notion...

Bill14564 05-05-2022 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2092669)
Sorry, but a lot of folks do not understand what this is all about.
Folks, it has nothing to do with "women's rights." It's about STATES RIGHTS. The SC doesn't give a rat's @** about whether or not a woman wishes to use abortion as a means of birth control. The SC is looking at whether or not the SC via Roe/Wade had the authority to disregard States Rights regarding making laws.

It absolutely does have to do with women’s rights. What the court is deciding is whether women have a constitutional right to privacy which extends to a right to have an abortion. If women do have that constitutional right then the States cannot prohibit abortion. If they do not have the right then it is up to the States to decide. But the decision is whether or not the right exists in the constitution.

Repeating my point from earlier today, the last time a human rights decision was left up to the States it didn’t work out well.

JMintzer 05-05-2022 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092596)
After the Supreme Court decision, abortions will continue. They will just be done UNSAFELY in backstreet hideaways.

Except they won't... Just another ridiculous fantasy on your part...

JMintzer 05-05-2022 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2092600)
But abortion has been around forever, and nothing to do with stereotyping by race or social standing.
In fact, it is a very equal opportunity procedure. Open to all of the required gender!

Except Planned Parenthood has the vast majority of their clinics in the inner city neighborhoods... 79% of their clinics are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic neighborhoods... And they perform about 350K abortions/year...

JMintzer 05-05-2022 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092601)
True

False. You have absolutely nothing to back that up...

JMintzer 05-05-2022 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092607)
The point about AG Garland is NOT whether he would have made a good or bad supreme court Justice - the point is that he was CHEATED out of the opportunity.

Bull...

Your words: "a PATHETIC stalling of the chance to put a highly qualified person on the court (Merrick Garland) during the Obama administration"...

JMintzer 05-05-2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092608)
Keep the good, throw away the bad!

You get to work on that...

Here's a "How To"...

U.S. Senate: Amending the Constitution.

Caymus 05-05-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092686)
Rejecting Roe v Wade will have deep and harmful effects on WOMEN and all of US society and LAWS! Not to mention the next 2 elections.

What are the numbers? What % of women get abortions? How many are in states that will not ban it?

JMintzer 05-05-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2092609)
It's so hard to agree with this when the very premise is not true.
1. 75% of the population cannot have babies, therefore the percent of people being "controlled" could not possibly be 75%. We won't even go into the fact that many women (don't know the percentage) are pro-life. Therefore the number being controlled couldn't possibly be 50%. Then females who have gone through menopause or are pre-adolescent or infertile. You see how the "controlled" is far less than 50%.
2 Your statement that only25% are pro-life is not even close to accurate. So, once you release the "facts" you offer to support your position are "misinformation", it is much harder to provide the desired weight to the argument.

I agree with this post...

JMintzer 05-05-2022 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottGo (Post 2092621)
I remember a neighbor dying from a coat hanger procedure back in the good ole 60s. Guess we're going backward.

Yes, because that is sure to happen... Said no rational person ever...

And I'll wager you remember "being told" that someone died of a "coat hanger abortion"... Not that it actually happened...

JMintzer 05-05-2022 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2092624)
Actually you are mostly wrong.

Many states will now pass laws allowing abortions so people who want them can just take a ride to one of those states and have her abortion.

42 states now have legal abortions. 8 states still have unenforced, pre-Roe abortion bans which "could" be enforced it Roe is overturned. Interestingly, Michigan & Wisconsin are two of them...

JMintzer 05-05-2022 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2092646)
And, when is the last time you actually saw a wire coat hanger?
😒

Every time I get my dress shirts back from the cleaners... :icon_wink:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/73...b34b13101e.jpg

JMintzer 05-05-2022 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2092649)
What I found amusing was that Fauci skipped the event.

But, he went to the pre/post-event parties...

He looked like "Number 2" from Austin Powers...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05...1500306981.jpg

JMintzer 05-05-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092657)
Polls asked people, do you support Roe v Wade? About 20% said....NO they do NOT. Thus, at least 75% said that they DO support Roe. That.s where I get my percentages.
.....Your #1 It doesn't matter how many can have babies. The question is about who agrees that Roe should be the law of the land. Both men and women and young people and older people can have that OPINION regardless of whether they can have babies. They are ENTITLED to an opinion. and I contend that the opinion of the minority 25% should not get their way over the opinion of the 75%. maybe I am talking APPLES and you are thinking ORANGES?
Your #2.........I was not mentioning "pro-life". I was talking about the about 20% that the poll said wanted to eliminate Roe as a precedent. I see this poll as saying that 20% of all Americans want to FORCE a pregnant woman TO HAVE A BABY AGAINST HER WILL. 80% of all Americans want the women to have the right to choose.
.........I see there to be 2 worlds .......one is a progressive freedom-loving FUTURE for WOMEN.
..........and the other world.......is a backward in history return of women to their former role as 2nd class citizens.
..........the 1st world accepts EVERYONE as EQUAL ....women equal to men in pay and all other things. The races as equal and accepts the changing numbers of whites versus non-whites
..........the other world prefers (and hopes) that things NEVER change. That whites are FOREVER seen as superior to non-whites and PAID more. That men are FOREVER seen as superior to women (and laws and other roadblocks will keep women down forever!)
.........One of these worlds is reality and one is a delusion!

Most people have no idea what Roe v Wade actually says...

jimjamuser 05-05-2022 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Taurus510 (Post 2092647)
Sure the vaccines work. That’s why the nerd prom in D.C. turned out to be a “super spreader” event. Everyone in attendance had to be vaccinated and have a negative test, and yet, so many who attended are getting the Rona. These vaccines work about as good as a 1985 Yugo barn find.

This event does NOT prove that vaccines are ineffective as some are trying to say. Vaccine effectiveness is BEYOND question at this point in medical experience. What this DOES prove is that no medical professional ever said that ANY VACCINE is 100% perfect at preventing disease. At this point caution and commonsense still need to be utilized. This is a VERY contagious disease that is still dangerous.
........It was NOT a good idea to even HAVE this event. A big crowd INDOORS, not wearing MASKS - someone HAD to catch the virus. Probably loud laughing spreads the virus droplets around more violently and the dinner lasted a long time. Therefore, more exposure than say a trip to Walmart.
.......The important take-away from this is be vaccinated and boosted and also AVOID indoor crowds. Africa and even parts of the US is having increasing Covid cases. There are 2 NEW variants of Omicron now in Africa. And China has an economic downturn because of Covid. So, the takeaway is .....don't knock the vaccines which are good, but NOT
perfect. And DO use common sense and older people should NOT stop wearing their masks indoors.

JMintzer 05-05-2022 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2092684)
Good post. And to piggyback.........today we have the US's GREATEST wealth disparity. And the MOST of ALL 1st world nations. Go US of A.........you are #1

Irrelevant... As usual...


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