Define "woman"...

Seems like one Justice had difficulty with that...

So, you only support a woman's choice up until a certain time...

Men should "never have a say" and "I do not support late term abortion"...

Can you not see the contradiction there?

I don't think she/he does.

Then why is Marijuana use a Federal Crime?

Hence, the SCOTUS is giving this power back to the States... Because, (according to Ginsberg) they got it wrong the first time...)

Now you want the government to control who can and cannot have children?

WOW!:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

So, 20 weeks (and earlier in some cases)?

False... Just another scare tactic...

Cool... So, a woman, a week before she's due, decides to change her mind and should be able to terminate the pregnancy? It's "just a medical procedure", right?

That 75% is with strict limitations. Usually in the first trimester. A pesky little fact that is ignored by many having this discussion...

I was replying to Dotneko or something like that, saying to sterilize ALL babyboys at birth, but their original post didn’t show up.

Much like many of the arguments (see rape & incest)...

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I think you and I will wait in vain for the answerer to the obvious question

Birth control is covered by just about every insurance company. Even Medicaid...

OTOH, "Medicare generally does not cover Viagra or other medications for ED treatment. Under Medicare guidelines for coverage, these medications are not considered medically necessary"...

It would help if you had your facts straight.

I would NEVER ASSume one's gender... :icon_wink:

I disagree with you paraphrasing.

If this moves forward, there are trigger laws that will ban abortion PERIOD. So, no women don't have any choice either.

Men having to have vasectomies is reversible, so not permanent. Seems the men get the better part of the deal. Especially since one of the common arguments is abortion is just used for birth control. Well, men get vasectomies, and can have them reversed when they actually want a family and not just having fun.

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I am sorry, but that argument is simplistic. Some rights hold be available to all American citizens. Before the civil rights era, some segregation states restricted the rights of black people. NO, we said. In some matters all Americans have equal rights. Should the right of a woman to decide to have a baby, be nullified because of the state where she lives?

And just to be clear...

I do abhor the concept of abortion... BUT... I understand the NEED to have it be safe and legal WITH certain restrictions...

Hearing people calling to make it legal up until the time of birth is insane (to me).

Also, making it illegal after 6 weeks is just as insane, since it is VERY possible that a woman may not even know she's pregnant at that point...

Unfortunately, there is no consensus as to when (or even if) it should be allowed... Soooo we'll keep going round and round, yelling at each other, getting nowhere...

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Are you familiar with the complications with having a vasectomy?

And you DO realize that they are not 100% reversible, right?

It's a fools argument...

Can I use your crystal ball , mine is at the cleaners, last time I checked it I was told that the backlash would end up with woman getting abortions anytime before delivery

This is forced birth extremism that treats women not as persons with basic human rights and feelings, but simply as incubators. And let's not forget this is not the end of things. These conservative groups are going to go as far as they can - push against certain types of contraception; sexual intercourse only legal within the bounds of marriage or for the purpose of procreation leaving marriage rights at risk. The only way this has even come to pass is that conservative Supreme court nominees lied in interviews and at their confirmation hearings. Make no mistake, there are no ethics involved here, its all politics as usual.

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Thank you for a late morning laugh.

Let me get this straight it should be a crime to about a fetus, but it is perfectly legal to execute a sentient adult human being.

Another thing: We, in this community, are unique compared to discussions going on all over the country. We lived in that Eden where abortion was illegal. We remember when no women had sex before marriage, and all children born had two loving parents with plenty of money to care for their child. No girls suddenly dropped out of high school and lived with their parents until they were old enough to take jobs that did not demand any education so they could rear their unwanted babies alone. It was the Wonderfull era of Father Knows Best, and Ozzie and Harriet. That is the era we want to return to. Do I get that right?

One problem with abortion is that it is so secret that the horror of unwanted pregnancy go unspoken.

I think better of our justice than you do. Was not happy with some liberal decisions but they are there to make sure we follow our constitution.

Abortions are ok for some situation but at some point the fetus is life and should be allowed to be born. Disgusting when an 8 month fetus is murdered.

When is it murder? Can't Define it..but I know it when I see it!
 

Many conservatives view the abortion issue differently than their party, so the overturning of Roe V Wade finds many of us allied with the liberals on this issue. That's why you will see a HUGE outcry against the overturning. It's both sides of the aisle.
IMO, Women who do not want to be mothers will most likely be horrible mothers if forced to be.

There is not one argument presented here that hasn't been presented already in a million different places, in a million different forms, a million different times. Agreement is impossible.

My take is a little different. I oppose abortion except in cases where the choice is either - or: either the fetus is aborted or the mother dies. There are very few absolutes in the world any more but I strongly feel that the respect for, and protection of, innocent life is one of those absolutes. If it is not, then EVERYTHING related to life becomes relative and the only thing that matters is how high (or low) we set the bar.

But it is not abortion that is the greater evil. It is, rather, the mindset that allows it.

We would do well to look at history. As a matter of practicality, it is always easier to get rid of something, or someone (or a lot of someones) if we first define it/they as somehow less than human. Easier on the conscience, I suppose. We could look back The process is always the same. First, identify the discrete group whose existence is somehow threatening, dangerous, or just plain in the way. Second, define that group as somehow less than human.

Third, exterminate them.

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk had his Armenians. Stalin had his Ukrainians. Uncle Adolph and his merry brand of brownshirt thugs had his Jews, Romani, mental defectives, etc. Pol Pot had his intellectuals. Slobodan Milosevec had his Bosniaks. And so on. The faces may change. But the PROCESS, except in the method chosen for the extermination, never does.

In 2022 America, the identified untermenschen are the unborn.

Think about it.

Exactly. What's next, some state's deciding that they're fine with "separate but equal" (not covered in original COTUS/BOR), and hard-earned equality for minorities - is now left up to individual states? A whole lot of racists/bigots/white supremacists, are licking their chops thinking about this huge slippery slope.

I agree with this post. We have a situation here where less than 25% of the country is telling the 75% of the country how they SHOULD LIVE. that does NOT sound like a free country to me. America says that problem with Russia and China is that the FEW are controlling the MANY. Yet America seems to be acting like Russia and China. America is going to be CONTROLLED detrimentally by the LUCK of a death of a Supreme court member (RBG) and a PATHETIC stalling of the chance to put a highly qualified person on the court (Merrick Garland) during the Obama administration.
.......So, how could we stop disasters like this (rule by less than 25%)? I would suggest the use of term limits for, in this case the members of the Supreme Court (lifetime RULE is crazy stupid). I would suggest something like 8 years for Supreme Court Justices (anywhere between 6 and 12 years would be an improvement over a lifetime term.
.........And, of course, I feel the same that Senators and the House should have 2 terms maximum.
..........Why limit the President to 2 terms (which is a good idea) and NOT have limits on Congress. Most all of the out-and-out HATRED of WASHINGTON develops as politicians FIGHT to make their job a LIFETIME APPOINTMENT. Term limits would significantly stop the corruption and lack of cooperation that has become synonymous with WAHINGTON!

IMO you have that backwards the 25% telling the 75%…:duck::duck:

Thanks friendly villager for the usual TOTV snark. I knew there was a reason i normally avoid posting here. But if you look carefully you will see I referred to "publicly funded insurance" and Medicare coverage for generic versions of Viagara which are covered under some Medicare plans.

Thought about it. Some say "save the mother ". But, some mothers would sacrifice their lives that their child might have a chance at life. My feeling is that men can share their feelings on this, but it should ultimately be the woman's choice. This will never be a trivial choice, so whatever the woman decides, she should be supported.

It is a strange LOGIC that proclaims "right to life" while REALLY meaning FORCED unwanted BIRTHS. What about proclaiming a right to a QUALITY of life for the pregnant woman. Those that want to pass laws to FORCE unwanted BIRTHS should be THEMSELVES FORCED to adopt these unwanted children.
.........I ask myself, " How can increased UNWANTED CHILDREN make a country stronger". it takes years of LOVE and devotion to turn a child into a PRODUCTIVE adult and thus have a stronger country. It is basically UNPATRIOTIC to require more UNWANTED children to be forced onto society. And at a time when the world is suffering from overpopulation problems like GLOBAL WARMING, species decline and extinction, forest destruction, and even the beginning phase of a GLOBAL world war.
............I wonder if OTHER COUNTRIES like Norway, Japan, Australia, and others allow 25% of their population
(consisting of CRAZY church ladies) to drive their countries destiny like here in the US of A?

One problem with abortion is that it is so secret that the horror of unwanted pregnancy go unspoken.[/QUOTE]

Not any more. Some now wear having one as a badge of honor...

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That's today's common "scare tactic" that has ZERO basis in reality...

RGB stated the Roe V Wade was a poor decision and Garland has shown himself to be a lousy AG. What makes you think he would have been a good SC Justice?

And your 75% number is a red herring... That number is not "abortion on demand", it is abortion with set limitations, which is what we have in every State right now.

That said, there is (and should be) debate as to what those limitations should be...

Agreed about the NATIONAL referendum. This and many more issues should be decided by a national referendum. And I would like a 100% mandatory vote every 2 years. The US is SO important to the world that we should do our best to get our elections RIGHT. Something that we have not gotten right in the past!

I fail to see the snark in pointing out you were factually wrong. And you STILL are factually wrong.

Yes, there are now generic versions of Viagra. BUT... Those are not covered by Medicare, either...

Now, coverage by your Medicare Supplemental Plan is an entirely different thing...

And since Medicaid run on a state by state basis, the answer there is "sometimes"

Birth control, otoh, IS covered by "publicly funded insurance"...

From HHS: "All FDA-approved contraceptive methods, products and devices, including long acting reversible contraceptives (LARCs) such as IUDs (Intrauterine Devices) are covered."