Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2256406)

First of course I'm using capitalism and as far as taxpayer dollars being used in to promote this is not something knew. A few years back there was a number of states that used taxpayer's dollars to build a tank that the army did not want because it was good for their constituents.

I've lived in The Village for 12 year and am not a golfer, so when I was told I needed a golf cart I went with whatever was suggested. A matter of fact it was sitting in my garage so long without use, I just paid out over $200 bucks to have the battery replaced, just to move in from one side of my garage to the other. I agree with you the hypocrisy of a government official using ICE is a problem, but there will come a point when they'll have to change. You predict EVs will not outnumber ICE cars for more than 20 years. I would not be surprised if arguments like this were probably made when horse supporters saw the first automobiles. It took longer than 20 years, but we have the blueprints and today we move much faster. With the improvements to EVs and dropping prices I would not be shocked to see a major change with in 10.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2256470)

A good post. I will REMEMBER that!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2256460)

Once again I have to inform people that as far as E-vehicles go, we are in about the same early development and ACCEPTANCE period as the Internal Combustion Engine was in about 1900. The ICE vehicle back then was REPLACING the horse and buggy just as E-vehicles are replacing gas engine vehicles today. In 1900 there would NOT have been enough gas filling stations just like today enough Electric vehicle charging stations are just starting to be built. The point is that ICE vehicles have had over 120 years of engineering product development by now. E-vehicles are in their INFANCY. They are electrical and mechanical BABIES. They have some minor early "teething" problems to overcome (like enough charging stations).
.......E-vehicles are about 8% of new vehicle sales in the US. In Europe, E-vehicles are about 20% of new vehicle sales. E-vehicles have OVERWHELMING advantages over Infernal Combustion Engine vehicles. !st and foremost, they reduce the world's # 1 problem.......Global Warming. It is better to put emission control devices on ONE large electrical power generation station than to put 100 catalytic converters on each individual IC car and truck. A 2nd advantage of E-vehicles over IC vehicles is their Center of Gravity is lower due to the low placement of their batteries. Lower CG of E-vehicles gives better acceleration, better braking, and better cornering / handling than gas engine vehicles with high CG due to upright pistons. Another advantage is the high instantaneous torque associated with electric DC motors. Another advantage is the circular motion of an electrical motor vs the up-and-down motion of a piston motor that needs a crankshaft and a flywheel to convert to circular motion. And the IC engine needs several gears in a transmission in order to provide enough torque.
......So, basically, gas and diesel vehicles are rapidly becoming OUTDATED technology!

Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2256422)

Hydrogen is better for the environment, but with the investments made by all these companies and the cost to manufacture a hydrogen vehicle plus the inconvenience of people still having to go to a fueling station is a problem. Maybe solar I don't know but I can't believe it would be hydrogen powered. As I allude earlier it all has to do with the all mighty dollar.

Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2256294)

I do not understand why people are so upset about $5.00 a gallon gasoline. If the price really bothers you, buy a Tesla. If they can not afford one, they shouldn't be driving. That being said, I understand how it feels to be running low on battery charge. One time I was teaching the Dalai Lama how to meditate when I got a call from someone. The cat was missing and so are the batteries. Yeah, for real. This is real no joke. Nap time.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2256316)

I am really curious. Do all of you who are posting about climate change caused by fossil fuels drive electric golf carts? If not, why not?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2256460)

Once again I have to inform people that as far as E-vehicles go, we are in about the same early development and ACCEPTANCE period as the Internal Combustion Engine was in about 1900. The ICE vehicle back then was REPLACING the horse and buggy just as E-vehicles are replacing gas engine vehicles today. In 1900 there would NOT have been enough gas filling stations just like today enough Electric vehicle charging stations are just starting to be built. The point is that ICE vehicles have had over 120 years of engineering product development by now. E-vehicles are in their INFANCY. They are electrical and mechanical BABIES. They have some minor early "teething" problems to overcome (like enough charging stations).
.......E-vehicles are about 8% of new vehicle sales in the US. In Europe, E-vehicles are about 20% of new vehicle sales. E-vehicles have OVERWHELMING advantages over Infernal Combustion Engine vehicles. !st and foremost, they reduce the world's # 1 problem.......Global Warming. It is better to put emission control devices on ONE large electrical power generation station than to put 100 catalytic converters on each individual IC car and truck. A 2nd advantage of E-vehicles over IC vehicles is their Center of Gravity is lower due to the low placement of their batteries. Lower CG of E-vehicles gives better acceleration, better braking, and better cornering / handling than gas engine vehicles with high CG due to upright pistons. Another advantage is the high instantaneous torque associated with electric DC motors. Another advantage is the circular motion of an electrical motor vs the up-and-down motion of a piston motor that needs a crankshaft and a flywheel to convert to circular motion. And the IC engine needs several gears in a transmission in order to provide enough torque.
......So, basically, gas and diesel vehicles are rapidly becoming OUTDATED technology!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2256464)

Planet warming due to gas vehicle CO2 production IS the world's # 1 problem.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2256473)

8% of new US automobiles are Electrical. About 20% of new European autos are electrical. And China is making many new E-vehicles and selling within China and to Australia, New Zealand, and others. So it looks like the US will have to be dragged "kicking and screaming" into the NEW automobile world.

Originally Posted by JP (Post 2256674)

My former governor. An embarrassment then, an embarrassment now. One of the many reasons I moved out of Michigan, a failing state.

Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2256406)

First of course I'm using capitalism and as far as taxpayer dollars being used in to promote this is not something knew. A few years back there was a number of states that used taxpayer's dollars to build a tank that the army did not want because it was good for their constituents.

Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2256406)

I've lived in The Village for 12 year and am not a golfer, so when I was told I needed a golf cart I went with whatever was suggested. A matter of fact it was sitting in my garage so long without use, I just paid out over $200 bucks to have the battery replaced, just to move in from one side of my garage to the other.

Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2256406)

I agree with you the hypocrisy of a government official using ICE is a problem, but there will come a point when they'll have to change. You predict EVs will not outnumber ICE cars for more than 20 years. I would not be surprised if arguments like this were probably made when horse supporters saw the first automobiles. It took longer than 20 years, but we have the blueprints and today we move much faster. With the improvements to EVs and dropping prices would not be shocked to see a major change with in 10.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2256460)

Once again I have to inform people that as far as E-vehicles go, we are in about the same early development and ACCEPTANCE period as the Internal Combustion Engine was in about 1900. The ICE vehicle back then was REPLACING the horse and buggy just as E-vehicles are replacing gas engine vehicles today. In 1900 there would NOT have been enough gas filling stations just like today enough Electric vehicle charging stations are just starting to be built. The point is that ICE vehicles have had over 120 years of engineering product development by now. E-vehicles are in their INFANCY. They are electrical and mechanical BABIES. They have some minor early "teething" problems to overcome (like enough charging stations).
.......E-vehicles are about 8% of new vehicle sales in the US. In Europe, E-vehicles are about 20% of new vehicle sales. E-vehicles have OVERWHELMING advantages over Infernal Combustion Engine vehicles. !st and foremost, they reduce the world's # 1 problem.......Global Warming. It is better to put emission control devices on ONE large electrical power generation station than to put 100 catalytic converters on each individual IC car and truck. A 2nd advantage of E-vehicles over IC vehicles is their Center of Gravity is lower due to the low placement of their batteries. Lower CG of E-vehicles gives better acceleration, better braking, and better cornering / handling than gas engine vehicles with high CG due to upright pistons. Another advantage is the high instantaneous torque associated with electric DC motors. Another advantage is the circular motion of an electrical motor vs the up-and-down motion of a piston motor that needs a crankshaft and a flywheel to convert to circular motion. And the IC engine needs several gears in a transmission in order to provide enough torque.
......So, basically, gas and diesel vehicles are rapidly becoming OUTDATED technology!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2256468)

Another question would be IF we lived in a community that valued HEALTHY clean air for older residents and stopping the record temperatures recorded here and worldwide this summer and preventing the rising costs of gasoline and the dependence on Saudi Arabian oil - would NOT the powers-that-be have REQUIRED ELECTRIC golf carts 5 years ago.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2256686)

Said the guy who doesn't own an EV...