Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1819045)

Equal is good. But affirmative action yells "pity" to me.

I keep hearing make jobs pay more when the truth is that jobs usually have pay that reflects the level of skill and work involved. I can't see where it is right to up the pay for jobs that do not require great skill.

We are not all born with equal skills. Several decades ago the educators squelched the use of I.Q. testing. Please hear me say very loudly that I in no way think people are more valuable if they are smarter but it sometimes helps to help them if you know their strengths and weaknesses. We have been ignoring those issues and some folks are not doing well in school. It must be frustrating to them.

WE are ignoring a lot of things that to me are obvious so as to be politically correct and not hurt people and in so doing we are hurting people worse and allowing our educational system to fail.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1819058)

I have no idea what my IQ is. I'm sure I was tested back in the stone age. But those kinds of tests only tell you how good you are at taking those types of tests.

I can figure percentages in my head, I can add and subtract without thinking about it. I can program a computer, I can ride a horse. I can garden. I can shoot a target at 30 yards with a recurve bow. I can read, and actually enjoy reading, Chaucer. I can understand written Spanish and French. I can swear in 7 languages. I can color within the lines, though my creative streak sometimes rebels against that kind of compliant behavior.

I can play 12 different musical instruments with varying levels of expertise (or novice, as the case may be) and the only reason I can't play more is because those are the only ones I've tried to play thus far. I can read music in C-clef, G-Clef, and F-clef.

I don't need no stankin IQ test to tell me how intelligent I am.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1818593)

I didn't know that "black people being *shot* by white police" was the issue, so much as black people being chased, shot, tazed, accused, jailed, charged, beat up, battered, physically assaulted by white police, more than white people who were under suspicion of the same crimes.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1818624)

Meanwhile, here's another report, also from a university. It's not exclusively about white cops shooting black criminals.

It's about the use of force by police, use of force policies, and basic human rights, and how police departments are really screwing it up.

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/...4&context=ihrc

Warning - it's an actual report, not just a 4-paragraph article about a report. It's 100 pages long. A good read though. With real facts and everything.

Originally Posted by musicjack999 (Post 1818671)

13% of the population is committing over 60% of the crimes.

Originally Posted by llewopyaj (Post 1818692)

Let's acknowledge that there needs to be a constant heightened awareness that there is an appropriate way to treat suspects in stopping, chasing, questioning, and arresting them. No stereotyping by race, ethnicity, or looks. Even though a suspect's behavior may be undesirable and suspicious in nature, a suspect should be treated in a authoritative humane civil manner. The police need to maintain control of the situation with humanity and dignity. No short order. A high duty and responsibility.
Proper, thorough vetting recruits, training, evaluation, and retention of officers needs to be done in a way to best ensure that racial bias and inappropriate behavior does not appear in officers. And, when all is said and done, there needs to be a realization that bad things happen, especially in the heat of the moment, and not to throw out the proverbial baby with the dirty bath water. Rioting, defunding the police, and lawlessness certainly are not justified in any way; they are counterproductive and destructive.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1818974)

Orange baby - I hate to be apples about this - really, respectfully - there was a large omission. The bias in the Judicial branch and better lawyers for the Prosecutors, causes blacks to often get harder sentences for the same crime as whites.
Respectfully, apple baby. The overall intent and content of the Orange post was "right on".

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1818801)

I do not agree. Tell us why you say this.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1818984)

So, find a solution. What say you? Greater Wealth disparity - I don't think so?

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1819099)

Originally Posted by greenflash245 :

the cops do target blacks, whether the cop is black or white or pink or blue. don't kid yourself.
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Study after study shows that blacks are unfairly targeted in police traffic stops, yet it is a recurring conservative theme to refute these studies. The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) has figures available on public interaction with police which support this fact.An August 2019 study published by the National Academy of Sciences based on police-shooting databases found that between 2013 and 2018, black men were about 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police, and that black men have a 1-in-1,000 chance of dying at the hands of police. Black women were 1.4 more times likely to be killed than white women. Latino men were 1.3 to 1.4 times more likely to be killed than white men. Latino women were between 12 percent and 23 percent less likely to be killed than white women.A 2019 study of 11,000 police stops over about four weeks in the District of Columbia found that while black people make up 46 percent of the city’s population, they accounted for 70 percent of police stops, and 86 percent of stops that didn’t involve traffic enforcement.A 2019 study of police stops in Cincinnati found that black motorists were 30 percent more likely to be pulled over than white motorists. ....and the list goes on and on. So Greenflash was correct. Don't kid yourself.

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1819099)

Originally Posted by greenflash245 :

the cops do target blacks, whether the cop is black or white or pink or blue. don't kid yourself.
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It is better to laugh than to cry.


Study after study shows that blacks are unfairly targeted in police traffic stops, yet it is a recurring conservative theme to refute these studies. The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) has figures available on public interaction with police which support this fact.An August 2019 study published by the National Academy of Sciences based on police-shooting databases found that between 2013 and 2018, black men were about 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police, and that black men have a 1-in-1,000 chance of dying at the hands of police. Black women were 1.4 more times likely to be killed than white women. Latino men were 1.3 to 1.4 times more likely to be killed than white men. Latino women were between 12 percent and 23 percent less likely to be killed than white women.A 2019 study of 11,000 police stops over about four weeks in the District of Columbia found that while black people make up 46 percent of the city’s population, they accounted for 70 percent of police stops, and 86 percent of stops that didn’t involve traffic enforcement.A 2019 study of police stops in Cincinnati found that black motorists were 30 percent more likely to be pulled over than white motorists. ....and the list goes on and on. So Greenflash was correct. Don't kid yourself.

Originally Posted by llewopyaj (Post 1818692)

Proper, thorough vetting recruits, training, evaluation, and retention of officers needs to be done in a way to best ensure that racial bias and inappropriate behavior does not appear in officers.