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jimbomaybe 08-18-2020 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1818608)
Statistics to support an opinion? Pretty sure I don't need any. I was under the assumption that the "issues" were not "white cops shooting - exclusively - black people."

It's based on what I thought. So - 100% of all people who use the handle OrangeBlossomBaby on websites dedicated to Talk of the Villages - agree.

There's your statistic.
everybody who thinks like me agrees , a statistical fact so it must be so

graciegirl 08-18-2020 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1819239)
I get the impression that a majority of people stand against racism when it's clearly identified. If you say racism exists somewhere out there in the ether and we need to fix it is when you lose some of your audience.

Show me racism and I'll stand next to you to defeat it.

When I hear profanity laced speeches being shouted through a bullhorn by a protester demanding reparations for slavery, defunding police and saying it's all because of racist cops, I see the accusation of racism being used as a weapon, a threat or an excuse to loot and act like a thug.

I support peaceful protest for continued changes in the way the police interact with the black population and being held accountable for bad cops.

I don't support opportunistic individuals looking for a quick money grab or power. An opportunity to call random strangers racist and push their political views if you disagree.
THANK you for posting this perception of the problem. I so agree.

I SO agree.

Byte1 08-18-2020 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1819192)
Therein lies the problem. We treat unskilled people like they don’t deserve to be paid a livable wage.

Poverty leads to crime, and so rich folk (typically white, but mainly because they have enjoyed generations of privilege) have to resort to extreme policing to keep the poor underclass under control.

Up the minimum wage to a livable wage and that will go a long way to helping the situation. And do a better job of weeding out the bad cops - we see far too many on video these days.
Why mandate a "minimum" wage at all? Why should the Fed Gov interfere with private business? If you do not feel you are getting paid what you believe you deserve to be paid, then quit and get a different job. There are plenty of jobs in this country and NO excuse for anyone not having one that wishes to work. If you do not get paid enough to pay the bills, then take on a second or third job. I have worked three jobs at once to support my family. Seems like it is pride or laziness that keeps folks from being able to support their families, not opportunity.

oldtimes 08-18-2020 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009 (Post 1819239)
I get the impression that a majority of people stand against racism when it's clearly identified. If you say racism exists somewhere out there in the ether and we need to fix it is when you lose some of your audience.

Show me racism and I'll stand next to you to defeat it.

When I hear profanity laced speeches being shouted through a bullhorn by a protester demanding reparations for slavery, defunding police and saying it's all because of racist cops, I see the accusation of racism being used as a weapon, a threat or an excuse to loot and act like a thug.

I support peaceful protest for continued changes in the way the police interact with the black population and being held accountable for bad cops.

I don't support opportunistic individuals looking for a quick money grab or power. An opportunity to call random strangers racist and push their political views if you disagree.
I absolutely agree.

McGyver9 08-18-2020 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1818684)
That’s it exactly. And there are many studies showing black people are anywhere from three to eight times more likely to be shot during a police encounter than white people. Why anyone would try to infer the opposite in the face of facts is just another instance of systemic racism in this country.
I'd like to see these "many" "studies"....and WHO did them...and WHO was paying for them.

And I can GUARANTEE that they don't include the "circumstance" of what lead to the shooting.
(Fighting/running/pointing-shooting a gun)

They act like the Police walk up and execute people, for NO reason.

And I'm sure that "statistics" of ratios of WAY more white Officers, vs other races......as well as 50% of CRIME being perpetrated by 13% of the population aren't included.
Please try to use some common sense and tell me HOW it would be possible for "statistics" to show up ANY other way?

Lastly, HOW can ANYONE "claim" that ANY perpetrators death is "racist"?
They are PERPETRATORS!
The Cop didn't MAKE them do whatever they did, and RESIST.
And most likely, someone CALLED 911 and REQUESTED their presence!
How is THAT racist?

It's NOT a Police Officer's "job" to get in a fistfight/wrestling match on EVERY call they go on, as many people THINK.
How long of a career do you think they would have?

Want to live?
Don't fight, don't run...
Pretty simple.

sloanst 08-18-2020 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1818624)
Meanwhile, here's another report, also from a university. It's not exclusively about white cops shooting black criminals.

It's about the use of force by police, use of force policies, and basic human rights, and how police departments are really screwing it up.

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/...4&context=ihrc

Warning - it's an actual report, not just a 4-paragraph article about a report. It's 100 pages long. A good read though. With real facts and everything.
So, what's your opinion of that study? :blahblahblah:

billethkid 08-18-2020 08:35 AM
Why is there the constant need to highlight/emphasize/spotlight/exaggerate/etc white or black.

This constant grinding of black this or white that is in itself promoting and using racism.

It has little or nothing to do with the average (black) American and all to do with minority/special interest/political agendas.

OhioBuckeye 08-18-2020 08:57 AM
Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1818974)
Orange baby - I hate to be apples about this - really, respectfully - there was a large omission. The bias in the Judicial branch and better lawyers for the Prosecutors, causes blacks to often get harder sentences for the same crime as whites.
Respectfully, apple baby. The overall intent and content of the Orange post was "right on".
Seriously do you really think these burnings, breaking windows out & looting & tormenting police is what BLM means. There’s probably 5 blacks to every one white looting & burning people’s lively hoods. This has gone on to long to mean BLM. BLM has just got the upper hand on one of our govt. parties & our weak one sided party is continuing to let BLM control them. It won’t end with them even if they do win. When this BS, BLM thugs want something they now know how to get it & this party won’t have any idea how to contain it & make it stop.

gail swanson 08-18-2020 09:14 AM
Do you have statistics as to percentage of officers of color to percentage of population of color in a certain city?

NoMoSno 08-18-2020 09:40 AM
Too bad there was no police presence in Portland Sunday night.
GRAPHIC VIOLENCE! Antifa/BLM! Young man violently assaulted in Portland by radical militants - YouTube

17362 08-18-2020 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by George Page (Post 1818677)
In my opinion,
100% of the people who resist a police officer or do not comply with their instructions run the risk of the encounter escalating, regardless of skin color.
We agree. Period. No color makes any difference. And the cops we know personally are of the same Opinion.

jimjamuser 08-18-2020 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 1819049)
As soon as I read the blurb, "In a 24-day period in 2015, police
in the United States shot more people than the police did in England and Wales in 24 years" I knew that it may be a bit biased. How can you compare what happens in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. with two counties that have very few guns in the general population. There are more guns in the hands of the thugs on the south side of Chicago then there are in all of England and Wales. Once the police are officially declawed and we start sending out focus groups to manage the killers, I am sure things will get much better. Until you have had somebody turn and fire at you, you have no standing in any discussion on how and when to shoot.
Everyone has standing because we vote for the politicians that DECIDE how to deal with crime. They are ALL or almost all people that have NEVER been shot at themselves. Humans have empathy and can project themselves into a situation. It is a basic part of life. If you are called to jury duty, they do NOT call only robbery victims to decide a robbery case. And etc. Judges and others DO take into consideration "heat of the moment situations". You have a point that there is a factor to consider there. And it IS taken into consideration.

jimjamuser 08-18-2020 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1819058)
I have no idea what my IQ is. I'm sure I was tested back in the stone age. But those kinds of tests only tell you how good you are at taking those types of tests.

I can figure percentages in my head, I can add and subtract without thinking about it. I can program a computer, I can ride a horse. I can garden. I can shoot a target at 30 yards with a recurve bow. I can read, and actually enjoy reading, Chaucer. I can understand written Spanish and French. I can swear in 7 languages. I can color within the lines, though my creative streak sometimes rebels against that kind of compliant behavior.

I can play 12 different musical instruments with varying levels of expertise (or novice, as the case may be) and the only reason I can't play more is because those are the only ones I've tried to play thus far. I can read music in C-clef, G-Clef, and F-clef.

I don't need no stankin IQ test to tell me how intelligent I am.
Super interesting post! I especially like the "recurve bow" detail I prefer bare bow to all the expensive tech accessories of a machine bow. Also the swearing part, way cool!

jimjamuser 08-18-2020 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1819077)
I don't either. But I have administered quite a few tests in my life and I can tell you what you already know; You are much above average.

I was on the board of the Williams Syndrome Association for many years and met there many people who are and always will be treasures to me and who have enriched my life. One of those treasures is our youngest daughter who was born with Williams Syndrome.

Wechslers and Whoopsies and Stanford Binet's helped our daughter and many of her friends and her sister too who was in the gifted class. It really is horse **** that we all come with the same ability set. And there is no shame to that truth either.
In the book' "Brave New World" there are alphas and betas and etc. I think that gifted classes are the right thing to do - with a caveat that it COULD? be pushed too far, like human breeding or even too much wealth disparity. To prevent a Brave New World, you need to have a real middle class (now disappearing) without enormous wealth disparity and you need free or affordable college. More people should have a somewhat equal shot at getting in those GIFTED CLASSES.
Where do you go, when you've gone too far? ......I think that was a song?

jimjamuser 08-18-2020 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Luisa (Post 1819080)
I have never seen this in 67 years. Address the real problems instead of blaming it on racism. There are many black police officers, police captains, police chiefs, and mayors, so how can you blame it on whites. This IS racism. The real problems are the high crime rate and drug use among blacks, blacks assaulting police officers, resisting arrest, and erratic and uncooperative behavior related to drug use.
Goes all the way back to segregated, ghetto housing - zoning and the 60s Civil Rights incomplete laws. Love thy neighbor!


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