Originally Posted by vilger (Post 1838565)

I have heart disease but can easily live another 20 years with medication. I get COVID and die; I might not have died from COVID if I had not had heart disease in addition to COVID. Are you telling me that my cause of death was not really COVID?

Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os (Post 1838818)

I agree that everyone needs to do what is right for them. All I keep thinking is Phase 4, hospitals at full capacity. Sure hope I’m wrong.

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1838625)

I don't think you realize that your commentary is really making this all about you and others like you. Where's the commentary on how restaurants are going to survive with less business over a long period of time? The restaurant owners probably have families to support. They most certainly have many bills to pay. The workers are trying to make a living, keep a job and pay their bills. But you're saying this is about YOU still being able to enjoy life. It's a narrow view, in my opinion, because it neglects the cost of occupancy restrictions on the businesses, themselves.

You don't have to go out. The restaurants have to make money to stay in business.

Here's a compromise: Offer to pay DOUBLE what the normal bill is for a meal out IF the restaurant(s) continue to adhere to 50% capacity. Presumably no one is going out to eat every night, so paying double is not going to break you, right? Win-win. You get your security of not being around as many people, and the restaurants can survive on having fewer clientele patronizing.

Now, you may think the above is just a facetious comment, but it absolutely does bring to the fore the cost of severely reduced business, which seems to be lost on many here posting. I don't see where your "enjoying life" is enhanced when restaurant after restaurant needs to permanently close due to lost revenue. Again, if a restaurant owner thinks they can still make things work at lower capacity, more power to them. But that's their choice to make, just as it's your choice whether to patronize them at higher capacity.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1838891)

I am truely sad to say this. But, a vaccine will NOT be the silver bullet that you imagine it will be. There will be ANTI-vaccers who do not take it in the US in large numbers. There are MANY problems with distribution ( 2 doses may be needed). Storage for distribution requires neg 112 deg F, which is only easy in special laboratories.

Masks may be needed for 4 or more years......really sorry.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1838899)

WELL, it worked for the world outside the US - Austalia, New Zealand, S. Korea, Japan, and Germany to just name a few. Check me out on this, if you don't believe me!

Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1838632)

I have had enough. Expecting restaurants to install plexi between tables! Stay home.

Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1838635)

If he wanted to save the state economy all he had to do was shut every thing down and mandate masks and all the CDC guidelines in March. We'd be returning now with far fewer cases and deaths on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by Joe V. (Post 1838925)

A quick search reveals many scientists disagree with your remark of herd immunity being a non-scientific rationalization.

For example:

“Herd Immunity”: A Rough Guide
Paul Fine, Ken Eames, David L. Heymann

Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 52, Issue 7, 1 April 2011, Pages 911–916

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1838669)

Really? Let’s look at the Florida numbers. In the months of March-June when fewer people were wearing masks, there were fewer deaths. When mask wearing became virtually mandatory in July & August, the death rate from the virus tripled. Facts, not feelings...

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1839029)

Germany, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and other countries have achieved a return to normal living - without resorting to the pain, death, and lifelong complications that could have happened if they tried the "radical" concept of herd immunity. They declined to try it and have prospered because of it. Their methods have worked. Nothing succeeds like success.

Originally Posted by Joe V. (Post 1838960)

A good book to read: Lying with Statistics

Originally Posted by alan5676 (Post 1838764)

So now that restaurants can be at 100%, would you pay double for your meal if they chose to be 50% capacity. Please answer honestly

Originally Posted by Jazzman (Post 1838974)

They used contact tracing via an individual’s cell phone. You would be okay with a government entity tracking your whereabouts 24x7? Specific to South Korea, They also confiscated medical supplies from commercial companies and as yet there has not been a final decision on the repayment methods. You’re okay with that too?

Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 1838989)

Leave your erroneous comments and political diatribe out of this discussion. If you have some real scientific fact to post do so. What you suggest was tried in Europe. Didn't work.