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OhioBuckeye 08-02-2021 06:49 AM
Ohiobuckeye
 
I can see why the govt. wants everyone to get the Covid shot because if one person has it, just like now it’s going to start up again! To many new people coming into the U.S. & haven’t been checked.

petsetc 08-02-2021 06:52 AM
So my question is - are the people (including governors, politicians and commentators) who are posting about Covid not being a big issue, that vaccination is a personal issue, and masks do nothing un-vaccinated or hypocrites?

cheweycat 08-02-2021 07:05 AM
Welcome to the reality of Covid-19 (21). Most of us learned from the protocols how to protect ourselves. Others resisted all the way Gov. DeSantis). The reality is the latter are at very serious risk now and should get vaccinated. Will they? It would help there fellow man. Wake up folks!

Larchap49 08-02-2021 07:13 AM
Covid
 
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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 1981743)
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.
Being a glass is half full person, the bright side is that's 21000 more people immune with antibodies moving us closer to herd immunity

Burgy 08-02-2021 07:24 AM
No but you have to sadly realize that right now even if you have been vaccinated you can catch and spread the virus. It's just unlikely you will be very sick. So mask up and avoid crowds AGAIN. Hopefully short term.

Irishmen 08-02-2021 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Burgy (Post 1982120)
No but you have to sadly realize that right now even if you have been vaccinated you can catch and spread the virus. It's just unlikely you will be very sick. So mask up and avoid crowds AGAIN. Hopefully short term.
equals the total new arrivals from the unprotected virus filled border crossings letting who knows what plague coming into your communities.

GrumpyOldMan 08-02-2021 07:43 AM
Today's news is Florida is #1 in cases! To think Florida is the only state having seasons this year!

mike234 08-02-2021 07:47 AM
florida is # 01 because the media wants it to be # 01. this is all politics

Ritagoyer 08-02-2021 07:51 AM
Everyone is talking about all the cases are they COVID 19 or the variant . Have they had their shots. News give stats on how many are testing positive and hospital numbers are up but no numbers anymore on how many people have died.
We are getting all the facts.

Irishmen 08-02-2021 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mike234 (Post 1982139)
florida is # 01 because the media wants it to be # 01. this is all politics
plus 70% of all new virus infected arrivals list Florida as their destination. Plenty of video showing arrivals getting dropped off infected with the man made virus polluting our communities. Science!

graciegirl 08-02-2021 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1982137)
Today's news is Florida is #1 in cases! To think Florida is the only state having seasons this year!
Florida is the third most populated State after California and Texas.

Florida has received a BOATLOAD of visitors beginning to travel since the tide seemed to turn about the Virus.

I do hope that more people are living through this new attack of the Variant which is FAR more contagious.

It appears that not as many people are dying now that we have the vaccine and many older people at greater risk got jabbed.

Hoping for some good news.

Ready for a booster if the people who are in charge of health that I respect suggest it.

GrumpyOldMan 08-02-2021 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mike234 (Post 1982139)
florida is # 01 because the media wants it to be # 01. this is all politics
I agree the entire COVID thing is a fake news circus. Nobody really died, it's all a lie.

argos5usa 08-02-2021 08:00 AM
"cases"

GrumpyOldMan 08-02-2021 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1982145)
Florida is the third most populated State after California and Texas.

Florida has received a BOATLOAD of visitors beginning to travel since the tide seemed to turn about the Virus.

I do hope that more people are living through this new attack of the Variant which is FAR more contagious.

It appears that not as many people are dying now that we have the vaccine and many older people at greater risk got jabbed.

Hoping for some good news.

Ready for a booster if the people who are in charge of health that I respect suggest it.

I agree with you. My point was sarcasm, but all the things you point out were true for the first 3 surges and we didn't make it to number one. Now we have made it, and powers are saying this is nothing special, just a seasonal situation. Denial will not solve anything.

Sorry, it annoys me that we can't have a political discussion.

cj1040 08-02-2021 08:04 AM
And what medical school did you attend and what degree did you earn?

Moderator 08-02-2021 08:06 AM
Again... Posters need to quote the post they're replying to. Several posts in here are head-scratchers. Some have been removed.

haysus7 08-02-2021 09:28 AM
Vax
 
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1981757)
Would be interested to know how many of these new cases came from folks who have been vaccinated.
People vaccinated can spread as easily as unvaccinated. Vaccinated people don't get hospitalized or die if they aren't health compromised

coffeebean 08-02-2021 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 1982161)
Again... Posters need to quote the post they're replying to. Several posts in here are head-scratchers. Some have been removed.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Instructions how to do this:

Click on REPLY to include the poster's quote you are responding to.

Click QUICK REPLY and you will not include the poster's quote you are responding to.

coffeebean 08-02-2021 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by haysus7 (Post 1982215)
People vaccinated can spread as easily as unvaccinated. Vaccinated people don't get hospitalized or die if they aren't health compromised
Are vaccinated people back at square one; meaning if they have co-morbidities they are in danger of severe disease and dying of this Delta variant? I didn't think it was quite THAT bad because most people that are hospitalized and dying are the un-vaccinated.

rphil11ort 08-02-2021 10:05 AM
You did noticethey didn't mention hospitalizations or who is getting it. What I have seen is 97% from people not vaccinated.




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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1981787)
It is very overwhelming to read these figures and to see the hospitals filling up with people. I hope that everyone who isn't vaccinated will reconsider. I hope those who are sick recover and are immune then.

I think that Governor Desantis has been as fair as a person can be in his position. He needs to consider all things. It appears that the most endangered are in fact the most vaccinated in this state; the elderly are highly vaccinated at about 70% or better and they are the most at risk. Have not read any figures on recent deaths from Covid or the new Delta Variant. It does seem likely that a state that is deluged with guests and whose main industry is tourism is going to get a lot of germs that are not wanted.

I have decided to stop going to the rec center for a few days at least to try to figure out whether it is safe. I know someone who became sick with Covid after two group members at a rec center became sick and had test.

I am hoping that what we will see that the vaccinated are not getting TOO sick.

It is hard to hear and see the truth with so many clamoring voices.

ThirdOfFive 08-02-2021 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 1981743)
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.
We're Number One! We're Number One!

Waltdisney4life 08-02-2021 10:17 AM
Sounds like the vaccine does not work so those who refused were right!!!

Bill14564 08-02-2021 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 1982250)
Sounds like the vaccine does not work so those who refused were right!!!
//comment removed//

golfing eagles 08-02-2021 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by waltdisney4life (Post 1982250)
sounds like the vaccine does not work so those who refused were right!!!
wrong!!!!!

golfing eagles 08-02-2021 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 1981743)
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released
Of course, this begs the question of just what is considered a case.

Let's make this easier for the non-professionals:

Your kid gets a case of chicken pox. He has skin lesions, fever and a cough. You keep him home from school until all the lesions have crusted over. Period. Now, as for the other 30 kids in his 2nd grade class, we watch them for development of a case, meaning skin lesions, fever and cough. If they don't get it, fine.

What we do not do: We DO NOT test every kid in the class every day for Varicella antigen, and when a positive crops up call it "a case" and quarantine them.

Also, what we DO NOT do: Give the kids Varicella vaccination and then continue to test them for chicken pox

Everyone get it now???????

jimjamuser 08-02-2021 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ROCKMUP (Post 1981917)
They aren't wrong. Just because you can breed doesn't mean you should, even the most base creature can do it and it shows.
That is, sort of, harsh and shortsighted.

jimjamuser 08-02-2021 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1981937)
Are the Rec Centers requiring masks again ?
Why even ask that question. Just do the RIGHT thing for yourself, your community, and humanity - lead, don't just follow! Being indoors answers that question for me!

coffeebean 08-02-2021 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life (Post 1982250)
Sounds like the vaccine does not work so those who refused were right!!!
The vaccine prevents severe disease, hospitalization and death. Seems to be working as far as I can see as reliable sources are reporting that most people in hospitals and dying of Covid are UN-vaccianted. Can you dispute that fact?

jimjamuser 08-02-2021 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by toniandjosef@aol.com (Post 1981942)
Yeah we have a licensing requirements for everything except parenting. Do you have to get a license to get married but not having a child?
My opinion on parenting and tax law is that Federal and State tax law should give tax deductions for ONLY one or two children and NOT for more - possibly even a small penalty for 3 or more. This IS NOT because I do not like children, just that I feel that the US has overreached the optimum population based on its current residential space, technology, wealth, and natural resources. I know that I am the outlier on this so feel free to throw barbs and stones my way. Just let my idea enter your minds slightly, thank you!

Dana1963 08-02-2021 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1981787)
It is very overwhelming to read these figures and to see the hospitals filling up with people. I hope that everyone who isn't vaccinated will reconsider. I hope those who are sick recover and are immune then.

I think that Governor Desantis has been as fair as a person can be in his position. He needs to consider all things. It appears that the most endangered are in fact the most vaccinated in this state; the elderly are highly vaccinated at about 70% or better and they are the most at risk. Have not read any figures on recent deaths from Covid or the new Delta Variant. It does seem likely that a state that is deluged with guests and whose main industry is tourism is going to get a lot of germs that are not wanted.

I have decided to stop going to the rec center for a few days at least to try to figure out whether it is safe. I know someone who became sick with Covid after two group members at a rec center became sick and had test.

I am hoping that what we will see that the vaccinated are not getting TOO sick.

It is hard to hear and see the truth with so many clamoring voices.
“ I have decided to stop going to the rec center for a few days at least to try to figure out whether it is safe. I know someone who became sick with Covid after two group members at a rec center became sick and had test.”
I’d reconsider and consider avoiding Rec Centers for a few weeks. It not really that important!

jimjamuser 08-02-2021 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1981947)
I completely agree with you, but whether you personally have kids or not doesn't matter. Education is a minor expense that pays back big time. It is in everyone's best interest to educate all the children.

Sadly, our school system is broken like so many things that used to work.
Yes, the current school system in the US IS broken. Other countries have created much BETTER "quality of life" for their citizens. Rich people with high property values refuse to pay their fair share of property taxes, so they put people on the school boards specifically to CRY about school expenses and keep property taxes as low as possible - so the US gets only a "cut-rate" educational system.

As a fringe benefit, rich people can today MORE easily manipulate poor people into working for lower wages and electing leaders that work AGAINST the poor's best interest. it is as if the US has devolutioned back to 18th century England.

Byte1 08-02-2021 12:00 PM
Sorry if I am not that concerned. Tell me when the DEATH rate goes up instead of down, as it has been for months.
And as long as they kept talking about how the test are performed and how they might be flawed, I won't take much stock on how many are deemed Covid related.

lquinn3176 08-02-2021 12:06 PM
Please get vaccinated. My 13 year old grandson nearly died from COVID. Was in ICU for 7 days and we almost lost him. His heart and lungs will never recover. I'm begging all of you to please get vaccinated.

Bill14564 08-02-2021 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1982353)
Sorry if I am not that concerned. Tell me when the DEATH rate goes up instead of down, as it has been for months.
And as long as they kept talking about how the test are performed and how they might be flawed, I won't take much stock on how many are deemed Covid related.
The 7-day trend for death rates started increasing in both Florida and the US about one week ago, a little more than three weeks after case numbers began to increase.

It is yet to be seen whether death numbers will follow the same curve as case numbers but the three-week lag is consistent with the earlier spikes.

jimjamuser 08-02-2021 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1982058)
We live near The Villages Regional Hospital. We can see and certainly hear the sirens and sound of EMS ambulances and helicopters. There have been almost no such sounds for several days. We can only assume that TVRH is not accepting any new ER patients. Yesterday’s news reported a 64% increase in COVID hospital admissions in Sumter County, over 150% in Jacksonville.

The Florida Hospital Association is projecting that there will be twice as many cases of COVID by Labor Day as the highest number experienced in the U.S. at the peak rate last January. A difference is that the new variant is attacking much younger people with far worse, even fatal results. 96% of current new patients are unvaccinated.
My wife knows for a fact that our hospital's ER is filled up and also the ICU. The Gainsville and Orlando hospitals are also full and "diverting". Apparently, there is nowhere for the helicopters to take our local patients! And patients are younger because of Delta and sicker. The average age of CV patients in Jacksonville is down to 42.

jimjamuser 08-02-2021 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1982024)
What would really be interesting to know is how many of these cases were very mild, and how many were very serious.
The answer to that is that Nationally hospitalizations and DEATHS are increasing rapidly. The news is FULL of reporting from hospitals today.

jimjamuser 08-02-2021 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ski Bum (Post 1982087)
Less than 400 kids have died from COVID, and most of them had serious health issues. Meanwhile, thousands have killed themselves. Depression from isolation is more deadly than the virus.
Not more deadly than Delta!

GrumpyOldMan 08-02-2021 12:26 PM
Anyone paying attention might notice that the CDC and others in the US keep referring to studies from other countries. This is primarily because COVID has become so politicized in the US that testing is being reduced, and we do not have data from American sources to answer the questions being asked.

And example, recent comments here refer to information from the CDC showing viral load is much higher in DELTA in both vaccinated and unvaccinated. This brought comments from deniers and anti Vax’ers saying, “see we told you so.”

Well, recent study from Singapore confirms initial viral load is similar between jabbed and unjabbed but then as the disease progresses the patients that have been vaccinated show declining load vs those not vaccinated showing increasing load.

Would be nice is we were testing Americans so we could know if the Singapore results apply here…

But here we reduce testing, because COVID is just seeing a seasonal surge, no big deal… right

Topspinmo 08-02-2021 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1981946)
I use that line whenever someone says they shouldn't have to pay taxes for [insert whatever they don't approve of because it doesn't fit their agenda].

I don't have kids, why should I have to pay taxes for schools?

(the correct answer to that challenge question is: because some day one of those kids will become YOUR president. You have a choice NOW in ensuring that that kid gets the best education your tax dollars can buy.)

One has nothing to do with other.

Jokomo 08-02-2021 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ROCKMUP (Post 1981917)
They aren't wrong. Just because you can breed doesn't mean you should, even the most base creature can do it and it shows.
That sounds like one short step to eugenics.


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