Hospitalizations and Death rates are increasing in both Florida and the US. It is all over the news!

What makes Florida look like the worst state is the fact that it is the worst state. If we required proof of vaccines from every tourist and every resident we would beat the virus and get on with our lives.

Great post. Thanks for making it personal. Your advice means so MUCH more. Surviving the Delta variant IS more difficult and involves younger and younger people. No one IS invulnerable. Thank you for helping others to see the light of reality!!!!!! I hope your grandson lives a long and strong life.

My neighbor had his 16 yr old took the vaccine and know will have to have all arms and legs amputated because of blod clots.

Wow, that was a long leap, pretty sure that word doesn't mean what you apparently think it means.

That is dreadful. So sorry to hear this. I would think at this point in time there is treatment to prevent this from happening.

As an aside, not to minimize the devastating effects this young person is dealing with but.......Covid also causes blood clots and has also been the cause of amputations of limbs of the victims of the disease.

A UK study of over 50,000 patients show that the case death rate of the delta variant is 1/10th that of the alpha. It may be more infectious but it is far less deadly.

The US CDC says that Delta IS LIKELY more deadly. And this is being proven as we speak in Florida and the US as DEATHS go up this week. Also, more young people get Delta than the prior variants. Also, Florida hospitals are making NEW CV wards and some want to make new wards, but do NOT have the room. That business about less deadly is OLD news in the US.

The UK has some differences in comparison to the US - they have Universal Health Care, like all REAL conscientious countries do! They have vaccinations at a 90% rate - one of the world's highest - and better than all US states (Vermont may be close). The UK's attitude toward government is positive. The US attitude toward government echoes one overrated former President that said, "the government is the problem, not the solution" - and many wild west, cowboy-loving, frontier-mentality want-to-be's ate that garbage up. (even today) The UK tries to reach out to allies. The US (protected somewhat by large oceans) still has a "go it alone" mentality. With a 90% vaccine rate, the UK may have made it to the "holy grail" of "herd immunity". The US may fall short of that as it leads the world in CV problems!

Stop the fear mongering
 

Deaths and hospitalizations Are very low which is what really matters but is seldom mentioned. The flu kills more than twenty thousand a year and as many as 80k in some years.Cases may be increasing but you don’t stop living because people are getting a bit sick.We live with risks all the time.If you are fully vaccinated you should have no restrictions. Don’t listen to all the fear mongering.

You are wrong! I’m an elementary school teacher. Unlike the adults on this blog, elementary students are very much able to find empathy. First and foremost they are intelligent to understand mask choice is really parents so they don’t degrade each other over it. Teachers don’t allow bullying but teach respect for all perspectives which they don’t lose until adults mess with them. They just want friends, recess, lunch, and a little FUN learning in between.

Now from the teacher. Teaching elementary students with masks is ridiculous. They need to LEARN facial cues and how to LEARN to get along and work with everyone from all backgrounds. They learn the ways they are ALIKE as they make friendships. They can’t do this three feet apart or over internet or even with masks up. They can’t communicate as well either with hearing or speaking because they are DEVELOPING these skills.

For all of you that will post they are spreaders to families not true at our school (very diverse families). Kids were quarantined with parents who got it from their work and after 20 days kids never got it. The few kids I know that got it from daycares were all well in three days. Look FACTS from CDC for kids 2018 and 2009 and 2020. You will see no reason for closing schools. Let kids be kids and quit ruining this generation.

Where in the world do you get your "facts?"

Hospitalizations are high and climbing! Deaths always lag cases and are now beginning to climb. Yes, they are low and hopefully will stay that way but it's too soon to tell.

The flu facts are correct, it kills more than 20K in a normal year. What we also know is Covid has so far gotten over 35M people "a bit sick" and more than 613K of them have died.

I agree with the statement about the vaccinated. For those that are unvaccinated - they should worry!

Thanks for an informative post! But, I, personally, feel that it will be a DISASTER to send kids of ALL ages back to school. Of course, you are correct about facial expressions and speaking and hearing with a mask. Japan has its elementary schools set up with plexiglass between the desks, a big difference from what your students are doing. I lean toward Japan being correct.

The world of CV has changed with the more dangerous and contagious DELTA variant. A whole different world. Kids will have very poor facial expressions if DELTA gets hold of them because of greater hospitalizations, deaths, and long-haul symptoms like neurological symptoms. I hope you have added Delta into all of your risk calculations? And I hope all your peer teachers are themselves vaccinated. Good luck!

Learned from the Grandpas and Grandmas on this site!

Ohiobuckeye
 

Personal preference is an American choice that we’re privileged to have, not like a communist country that our govt. is sucking up to. But it just sounds like to me that is one time we should do what we’re asked to to do if we want this Covid thing to go away! But our biggest problem is the illegals coming in aren’t being checked or vaccinated!

When all gets said and done, no matter how it is sliced or diced....the unvaccinated pandemic is the reality.
Like it or not!

Rather than start a new thread, I will try to slightly change the subject because we are heading down the primrose path again and this thread will be closed soon...

Do any of you know personally anyone here in The Villages who has caught Covid after having both shots? I do. I know one person and he knows two more from the rec center group where he caught it. He did not get very sick, thank goodness.

Sorry, my bad.

I do not know anyone personally, but my brother does, they, the ones vaccinated that caught COVID, are both doctors.

I don't recall reading that.

Why are "head-scratchers" removed? Just asking in case I might make the mistake of writing a "head-scratcher." I do not know the definition of head-scratcher. Thank you.

Death rates are not.

Thank you!:clap2:

Hi Gracie,

I remember February, 2020, as the time when we were all just finding out what we could be in for. I think February of 2020 was the first of many of those “going away” statements. That one was something about the heat coming in to take it out in April.

A quick Google will find many such empty declarations. I guess you must have missed them.

I find the fact that it has been so easy for so many to accept the rewriting of reality to be damn scary. With the vaccine, we now have a way to fight the virus — but dysinformation just keeps on spreading — and winning. (shudder)

Boomer

July 2: FL 7-day average: 30 deaths per day
Aug 2: FL 7-day average: 52 deaths per day

It's been a while but back when I was in school moving from 30 to 52 was considered an increase.

And even with the showing of sham claims, etc., so many stubbornly cling to fantasy versus reality

Not in common core math:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Sorry, but one week does not mean the death rate is increasing. If you check the stats for the past two years, you will find that there has been a steady decrease in deaths. Before causing a great panic folks need to look at the total picture. I don't know where you got your figures but I get mine from the CDC site.

Gracie......Boomer tells the truth. I heard it too. Many, many times. Yup.

Here are mine, now where are yours?

If I check the stats over the past two years I will see a tremendous increase in deaths due to Covid. If I check the stats over the past two months I will see a decrease, likely due to vaccinations, and then a steady increase, likely due to Delta.

Washington Post???


Like I said, July was the lowest month in a year, almost two years. Aug just started and does not represent anything other than Aug. Usually a trend is longer than a week, right? I get it. Folks want to panic whenever there is any deaths related to an illness. Guess I like to reserve my stress level until there is something REAL to concern me.

And your data is where??

If you read anything in my posts or on that page that implied totals for the month of August then you were reading it wrong. The trend is not for the month, the 7-day average is for the time period ending on August 2 which would be July 27 - Aug 2.

Look, as I wrote to another poster, I know I am not going to change your mind. You have seen the data and read the arguments and have decided that none of that matters, you are going to wait until there is something REAL to concern you. My concern is for those who might be swayed by the some of the utter nonsense that gets posted here. For example, a claim that deaths have not been climbing recently which is demonstrably false.

Uhh, Jul 27- Aug 2 is what you call a trend? Like I said, even with the graph you provided it proves what I have been saying.

You have been saying a lot yet showing nothing. Where is the link to your data.

I'm not arguing with you about this anymore. As I said last time, I'm not going to convince you.

Like I said my info came from the CDC website. But, your information also supports what I said. One week in Aug is not a trend.

You are correct that one week of data does not establish a statistically significant trend.
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Basic Regression Analysis
ec 10, 2010 · If you calculate trends over a short period you don’t get statistically significant trends, and over a longer period you do get statistically significant trends. This is true for almost any real life data, and how long it takes for trend to show up over short term non-trended variation will depend on the data.