Not even close to being true.

And that colored all future thoughts about maybe(?) the V.A overall is a good organization. If it was so bad there would not be a NEED for a VA in the Villages.

1 indoor = bad outcome----2 outdoor = a little bit bad outcome.

Exactamento!

I think you may have meant to say an OUTDOOR gathering...........

Nope.

Satire.

It's obvious, that an indoor gathering without masks (like the ladies in Jax)...is much more dangerous than an outdoor gathering. :ho:

Having universal healthcare has nothing to do with the number of cases but it has a huge impact on the healthcare provided to those who contract Covid. There were massive outbreaks in Italy, Spain and Sweden, all with universal healthcare. Yet these countries had to resort to choosing who was to live and who was to die because of a healthcare system that could not cope with it. Yet, NYC, which had an even bigger outbreak had plenty of ventilators and hospital beds.

While progressives like to paint universal healthcare as a human right and an act of compassion, I urge anyone who may think along these lines to watch this Youtube of how universal healthcare in Sweden is dealing with Covid. As a summary, the government is not allowing anyone over 80 or anyone over 60 with comorbidities to go to the hospital. Instead, they are sent to the equivalent of hospices where they are are deprived of oxygen supplements and instead given drugs that eases the discomfort but which almost certainly guarantees death - in other words, it is government mandated euthanasia. Very compassionate, eh?

Of course, Governor Cuomo has his own cross to bear for the way he treated nursing home patients, but that has nothing to do with universal healthcare.

YouTube

they can't get the 'same' because some can't afford the major plans, of which the aca was. i hear many say medicare for all, but medicare isn't free & i'm not sure how many people actually know that. those who cant afford get medicaid.

Since this topic is primarily one of Covid which had a reference to universal healthcare as a better way of dealing with Covid, it seems appropriate to point out countries which have universal healthcare in which the healthcare system failed miserably. It also seems appropriate to show by contrast how the US healthcare system does not have the same limitations in terms of resources such that we had to resort to euthanasia in order to deal with the crisis. As to every US citizen having access to the same health care, can you provide any documentation that shows that a person in the US who showed up at a hospital with Covid was denied treatment?

To put it another way, would you rather be a poor 80 year old person with Covid in the US or a middle class 80 year old person with Covid in Sweden? That's what universal healthcare in Sweden has given their citizens.

I'm guessing that you are already aware of EMTALA, so you know that your very narrow example of someone showing up in the emergency room is not a valid example...because it would be considered an "emergency."

Which does nothing, for those who may have comorbidities due to years...of not having access to regular, quality health care.

Just like EMTALA does not apply to people with cancer/diabetes/long-term illnesses/Etc., Etc.

For those not aware of what is covered...please read up.

EMTALA



As for the argument of UHC when using JUST Covid-19 as the example..here is another (much broader view than only Sweden).

UHC and Covid-19

Important info on Florida stats not reported anywhere but the Governors’ website.

So you’re saying that a higher % of people of color that are low income workers are more likely to get the virus because they are “essential.” What about the EMS, physicians, firefighters, nurses, police, etc.? They are as “essential” as the low income workers. Where do you obtain your facts for this? Sounds ridiculous.
BTW what is a “lower echelon healthcare worker?”
Sounds awful biased thinking.

Brookings Institution (Click Here)



FACTS MATTER. :ho:

Facts do matter. Yes they do. But it is really hard to find unbiased information. This article which is three years old suggests that the Brookings Institution is not centrist.

Brookings Institution -- The Progressive Jukebox Funded By U.S. Taxpayers

Of course I chose an article that supported MY views. We all do. I think we need to expand on free health care for the truly in need, the truly handicapped and the truly poor, and support health care that is not free but affordable, but I am not for plain old socialized medicine. It waters down the good, the excellent, the world class health care we now have. Tweak it but don't ruin it, is my view.

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Aha! I predicted this earlier in my thread proposing that protesters are responsible for the big spikes in Florida cases. I posted a graph showing the median age of new cases had dropped from about 55 to around 30, and the Governors info confirms that median age of new cases in the hot spots is between 27 and 32. Just what you would expect from a protester demographic that skews younger.

I also predicted that these younger "positives" would include a lot of asymptomatic cases and far fewer deaths because the percentage of people under 50 who die from covid 19 is extremely miniscule and also contains more asymptomatics. I also warned "Beware the millennials" because they can still pass the disease to you even if asymptomatic.

:1rotfl:

I suggest you read about the author of that opinion piece (Adam Andrzejewski)...before citing him. :D

My source, The Brookings Institute, cited facts and percentages (hint, look at their citations), whereby your author...seems to have only a single agenda. ;)


Facts Matter :wave: