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ColdNoMore 06-20-2020 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NJblue (Post 1788452)
Since this topic is primarily one of Covid which had a reference to universal healthcare as a better way of dealing with Covid, it seems appropriate to point out countries which have universal healthcare in which the healthcare system failed miserably. It also seems appropriate to show by contrast how the US healthcare system does not have the same limitations in terms of resources such that we had to resort to euthanasia in order to deal with the crisis. As to every US citizen having access to the same health care, can you provide any documentation that shows that a person in the US who showed up at a hospital with Covid was denied treatment?

To put it another way, would you rather be a poor 80 year old person with Covid in the US or a middle class 80 year old person with Covid in Sweden? That's what universal healthcare in Sweden has given their citizens.

I'm guessing that you are already aware of EMTALA, so you know that your very narrow example of someone showing up in the emergency room is not a valid example...because it would be considered an "emergency."

Which does nothing, for those who may have comorbidities due to years...of not having access to regular, quality health care.

Just like EMTALA does not apply to people with cancer/diabetes/long-term illnesses/Etc., Etc.

For those not aware of what is covered...please read up.

EMTALA



As for the argument of UHC when using JUST Covid-19 as the example..here is another (much broader view than only Sweden).

UHC and Covid-19

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Meanwhile, the world’s largest economy lacks universal health coverage, and is struggling to deal with this pandemic.

DON10E 06-20-2020 09:08 PM
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But not in a good way. :(


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While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate. :ohdear:
Important info on Florida stats not reported anywhere but the Governors’ website.

kathy1516 06-21-2020 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1787066)
Much more likely than an unproved connection to "genetics," is that the higher % of people of color, per capita, getting infected/dying is because they are the ones more likely to have lower paid positions and be considered "essential"...thus, have no choice but to work.

Sanitation, transit workers, convenience store employees, lower echelon health workers, social workers, Etc., Etc. are the ones...that let us hide in our houses. :oops:

And yes, I'm one of those "hiding," but I am at least grateful/appreciative for those who are making us lucky ones...be able to hide in the first place.
So you’re saying that a higher % of people of color that are low income workers are more likely to get the virus because they are “essential.” What about the EMS, physicians, firefighters, nurses, police, etc.? They are as “essential” as the low income workers. Where do you obtain your facts for this? Sounds ridiculous.
BTW what is a “lower echelon healthcare worker?”
Sounds awful biased thinking.

ColdNoMore 06-21-2020 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kathy1516 (Post 1788559)
So you’re saying that a higher % of people of color that are low income workers are more likely to get the virus because they are “essential.” What about the EMS, physicians, firefighters, nurses, police, etc.? They are as “essential” as the low income workers. Where do you obtain your facts for this? Sounds ridiculous.
BTW what is a “lower echelon healthcare worker?”
Sounds awful biased thinking.


Brookings Institution (Click Here)


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There is a saying—“When America catches a cold, Black people get the flu.” Well, in 2020, when America catches coronavirus, Black people die. Blacks in about every state with racial data available have higher contraction rates and higher death rates of COVID-19.

Regarding work, Blacks are more likely to be part of the new COVID-19 “essential” workforce. Blacks represent nearly 30% of bus drivers and nearly 20% of all food service workers, janitors, cashiers, and stockers.

During a highly-contagious pandemic like COVID-19, Black workers, and consequently their families, are over-exposed.

Predominately Black neighborhoods are more likely to be exposed to pollutants and toxins.
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The Brookings Institution is a nonprofit public policy organization based in Washington, DC. Our mission is to conduct in-depth research that leads to new ideas for solving problems facing society at the local, national and global level.

FACTS MATTER. :ho:

graciegirl 06-21-2020 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1788583)
Facts do matter. Yes they do. But it is really hard to find unbiased information. This article which is three years old suggests that the Brookings Institution is not centrist.

Brookings Institution -- The Progressive Jukebox Funded By U.S. Taxpayers

Of course I chose an article that supported MY views. We all do. I think we need to expand on free health care for the truly in need, the truly handicapped and the truly poor, and support health care that is not free but affordable, but I am not for plain old socialized medicine. It waters down the good, the excellent, the world class health care we now have. Tweak it but don't ruin it, is my view.

GoodLife 06-21-2020 07:01 AM
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Important info on Florida stats not reported anywhere but the Governors’ website.
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Aha! I predicted this earlier in my thread proposing that protesters are responsible for the big spikes in Florida cases. I posted a graph showing the median age of new cases had dropped from about 55 to around 30, and the Governors info confirms that median age of new cases in the hot spots is between 27 and 32. Just what you would expect from a protester demographic that skews younger.

I also predicted that these younger "positives" would include a lot of asymptomatic cases and far fewer deaths because the percentage of people under 50 who die from covid 19 is extremely miniscule and also contains more asymptomatics. I also warned "Beware the millennials" because they can still pass the disease to you even if asymptomatic.

allus70 06-21-2020 09:13 AM
Why are COVID cases rising in Florida?

ColdNoMore 06-21-2020 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1788634)
Facts do matter. Yes they do. But it is really hard to find unbiased information. This article which is three years old suggests that the Brookings Institution is not centrist.

Brookings Institution -- The Progressive Jukebox Funded By U.S. Taxpayers

Of course I chose an article that supported MY views. We all do. I think we need to expand on free health care for the truly in need, the truly handicapped and the truly poor, and support health care that is not free but affordable, but I am not for plain old socialized medicine. It waters down the good, the excellent, the world class health care we now have. Tweak it but don't ruin it, is my view.
:1rotfl:

I suggest you read about the author of that opinion piece (Adam Andrzejewski)...before citing him. :D

My source, The Brookings Institute, cited facts and percentages (hint, look at their citations), whereby your author...seems to have only a single agenda. ;)


Facts Matter :wave:


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