Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1791188)

I had to fact check to see if what you said was true. Yes, it seems so. However, it is very interesting that the Marine Corps trains recruits in the "gas chamber" with tear gas. We also had tear gas in Vietnam and used it. It was in the form of grenade rounds shot from a M79 grenade launcher. Right or wrong, it was used in combat. We also had White Phosphorus rounds, which are way more dangerous and wicked. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1791188)

I had to fact check to see if what you said was true. Yes, it seems so. However, it is very interesting that the Marine Corps trains recruits in the "gas chamber" with tear gas. We also had tear gas in Vietnam and used it. It was in the form of grenade rounds shot from a M79 grenade launcher. Right or wrong, it was used in combat. We also had White Phosphorus rounds, which are way more dangerous and wicked. Just saying.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1791186)

What I understand is that ANY problem can be solved IF large resources ($) and expertise and time are devoted to it. That's why the US was 1st to the moon. (Note : in a time when the tax law did NOT favor the rich who stop it circulating by putting it in Swiss bank accounts). Today, with respect to the problem of auto-loading military-style rifles, IF--IF the rich profiteering gun manufacturers (that take your $ on their high margin m-style weapons) were to STOP manufacturing THOSE and the Police had the resources ($) to do BUY-BACKS it would WORK. Society would have to pony up the big bucks, YES. Don't forget that Police are the ones NOT killed by single-shot and bolt action (used by hunters). The Police who sat down and thought about it would LIKE the idea of those BUY-BACKS. Matter of fact they do NOW, but don't have enough $ to buy enough from the marginal criminals, who would gladly sell them and go back to being pick-pockets as...like maybe 1940 or so. PS...single shots and bolt are LOWER margin weapons.

Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1791200)

The argument for or against use of tear gas is a “straw man” argument. It’s not that it’s not accurate or valid. It just distracts from the subject. Much like BLM and racism is being used to distract police & public attention away from the thugs.

Our current police force is made up of a cross-section of
Americans. Just like us, they vary. They are imperfect human beings of all races, genders, and backgrounds.

If the thugs can get us to believe all of the police are bad, the thugs win.

The thugs are using horrific incidents to make us believe we should “throw all of the bums out & start over.” Ask yourself this: Who would really benefit a lot if that were to happen? The thugs!

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1791204)

Back in the late 80's there was a report put out by the BATF investigating that all the illegal guns in Mexico came from the US. What they found was that foreign countries were smuggling automatic (machine guns) weapons and other weapons into Mexico where they were purchasyed by the drug cartels. China, South Korea, and South American countries were some of the biggest suppliers of these guns. Now whether the governments of these countries were knowledgeable of it is left up to conjecture.
The M16 rifles in the hands of the cartels were from Mexican army deserters who took their assigned rifle with them and joined the cartels.
AGAIN, if there is a demand someone will fill that demand. The cartels needed guns and criminal organizations filled that need.
The FBI lists more deaths by hammers and clubs than by rifles of all types. Back in the early 2000's if I remember correctly and I believe it was in Baltimore the mayor had a media dog and pony show on weapons used in crimes. They claimed that the AK was the weapon of choice in killings. The only problem they had was that they had no confiscated AK rifles used in a shooting to put on display, they had to go to a gun shop and borrow one for the show. There had been no shootings with an AK.

Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1791190)

Nope, wonder no more.
Chicago is a gun-free city.
Last weekend there were over 100 people shot In Chicago from Friday night to Monday morning. If BLM then why don’t ALL black lives matter? Don’t the innocent black childrens’ lives matter who die in the crossfire too? They are just babies! (but don’t even get me started about THAT!) There’s barely a whisper about the carnage.

We are being duped. Played based on our sensitive, caring nature. Guilted into silent submission. The thugs are USING all of us.

If they can get the police defunded, demoralized, side-lined or (Better yet) eliminated, who will stand between the thugs & the citizens?

BLM is like an attractively decorated store window but there is actually no store inside. You still want to buy that beautiful stuff even though it’s not really in there.

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who has escaped a tyrannical government? There are plenty of those folks around since there are many governments that have slid into that abyss. I have talked to many. Not one of them wanted to go back into that situation. Most of them didn’t see it coming until it was too late.

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1791163)

You do not understand the law on Stand Your Ground at all. A person shooting his ex-wife because she shows up at the door demanding a late alimony check or any of the other scenarios you presented will not hold water unless there is proof of an ACTUAL threat of death or serious bodily harm to the defender. A claim without evidence to back up the alleged threat will result in a murder charge.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1791235)

You don't seem to understand the phrase "he said she said." "I opened the door and my wife stormed in and reached for [insert heavy object nearby]. She said she was going to kill me. So I shot her."

Her response: nothing. Because she's dead. She has nothing to say about it.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1791235)

You don't seem to understand the phrase "he said she said." "I opened the door and my wife stormed in and reached for [insert heavy object nearby]. She said she was going to kill me. So I shot her."

Her response: nothing. Because she's dead. She has nothing to say about it.

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1791204)

Back in the late 80's there was a report put out by the BATF investigating that all the illegal guns in Mexico came from the US. What they found was that foreign countries were smuggling automatic (machine guns) weapons and other weapons into Mexico where they were purchased by the drug cartels. China, South Korea, and South American countries were some of the biggest suppliers of these guns. Now whether the governments of these countries were knowledgeable of it is left up to conjecture.
The M16 rifles in the hands of the cartels were from Mexican army deserters who took their assigned rifle with them and joined the cartels.
AGAIN, if there is a demand someone will fill that demand. The cartels needed guns and criminal organizations filled that need.
The FBI lists more deaths by hammers and clubs than by rifles of all types. Back in the early 2000's if I remember correctly and I believe it was in Baltimore the mayor had a media dog and pony show on weapons used in crimes. They claimed that the AK was the weapon of choice in killings. The only problem they had was that they had no confiscated AK rifles used in a shooting to put on display, they had to go to a gun shop and borrow one for the show. There had been no shootings with an AK.

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1791244)

No jury would believe a story like that.