Maybe I missed it on a news report but what happened between the time he was cuffed and the time the officer put a knee on his neck? How / why did he end up on the ground?

That is not clear. There is security video that shows them removing him from car , handcuffing and placing him against wall without incident or resistance. He is then gotten up another car comes up so it is not clear how George ended up on the pavement.

Like I said, see what you want to see. One snippet does not show proof or the truth.
Steve

But this thread isn't about those other times, other cops, other criminals, other situations. This thread is about THIS time, THIS alleged criminal (there's still no determination if he even KNEW in advance he was passing a bad bill - so it's still possible he was 100% innocent of THAT as well), THIS situation, THIS cop.

When you dilute the situation by bringing in "what about those other things" you are guilty of what's known as "whataboutism." That is how people deflect from an actual issue, trying to make it a non-issue, making people think "oh that's not so bad, let's just forget it."

I don't know if you do this on purpose. But you DO do it often. This thread is not the place for talking about all the other times cops do good things. You can make a thread for that. This isn't even about all the other times cops do bad things. There are threads about that. This is about George Floyd, who was murdered by a very specific individual cop.

Well lets face it, whatever happened didnt justify the outcome, but i think if you want to evaluate the entire incident you need to have all the facts. Something did happen...we just dont know what it was at this time...

She is FROM a country that was a war zone. One doesn't need to be in the military to experience war. One only need actually live in the country where war exists.

Armchair lawyer doesn't read actual information.

1. The Police Department chief FIRED (not suspended) all 4 cops.
2. That particular method of subduing someone is AGAINST that police department's policy.
3. George Floyd (he had a name, that was his name) was not trying to get up. He was trying to breathe. He was held on his stomach with a knee to his neck and he was groaning and grunting, turning his shoulder up so he could BREATHE - which is what he kept trying to say he couldn't do. The cop CHOSE not to let up on him. He died as a result - and even after Mr. Floyd was clearly either dead or unconscious, the cop CONTINUED to hold his knee on his neck for several more minutes.

Sort of like the cop was trying to make sure Mr. Floyd was dead, just in case there was any doubt.

as a white woman I cannot imagine what parents of color tell their children. How do you instruct them but to live in fear. The fear a parent must feel when their child goes out into the world in a car or walking down the street with a hoodie. It is devil in the groves over and over again.

It is hard to articulate that fear. It is why we tell our sons you can't do what others can because you don't get the benefit of the doubt. That assumptions will be made of you despite your reality. Even when he is an adult that he is not seen as a man but a threat. Despite the fact he has 2 degrees, supervises a staff of 50, married and no outside children. Still is aware of assumptions made it is exhausting.

Not sure why this comparison thing continues.

Police across the country are condemning the officers involved, yet some still try to come up with an excuse on this forum.

We can't discuss certain issues, but always, no matter the situation everyone goes to the same "corner". So many scary things happened today, I am embarrassed for my country. That last sentence was difficult and emotional to even type, as someone who served this country militarily and in elected officials offices for many years.

Trying to justify bad actions, no matter who is wrong.

Nice how you turn things around to suite your thinking.
If you would read my post correctly you would see "if the cops tried to protect themselves in the midst of the rioting and looting, it would be decried as racist. You just love to turn things around. You should reall get a job as a "journalist".

"What keeps happening, over and over, is unarmed black men being killed by white police officers...with a lack of consequences."


You know "what keeps happening'? news, that's what makes the news, that's what makes headlines, and if there's a video?? that's a ratings boost! It's not as prevalent as you and the media would like everyone to believe. Some of us are much more intelligent to decipher truth and reality. You seemed to have missed that boat.
I sure could say, and have said, loads more but the "mods" don't seem to like what I have to say.
Steve

.. and where were the other 3 officers AND civilians that witnessed this ... AND they all just let it happen !!! I am outraged that the civilians just ‘stood’ around and would not get involved !! So tonight they are probably saying ‘ Oh, I WISH I had done more !!!