Follow the Money
 

The Government Peter Navarro cornered the market and bought 60 million douses causing shortages of people needing medication for Lupus a other autoimmune diseases. Now he’s trying to dump it.

Are you a doctor or Scientist?

My husband is on this medicine, but is the-inhaler and seems to be helping with his breathing so far.

From what I have gathered, sadly this has become political and prescribing it has been restricted according to political beliefs. It has been proven effective in countries where the death/recovery time has been dramatically reduced. And others say, not so .... what do you believe ? This is exactly why politics should be kept out of everything.

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With the onset of COVID-19, I’m sure that the same thing is happening with HCQ— Yale professors and doctors have no scientific proof and are probably cashing in on claims that it could have an effect on the virus— probably for their own personal gains.[QUOTE]


Possibly the most error filled comment in a thread that's full of them

HCQ costs about $5 for a weeks supply. There is no patent on this drug and it is made worldwide by several companies. There are ZERO Doctors, epidemiologists, or scientists who are getting paid to endorse this drug. If they recommend it, it's simply because they are getting good results.

Want to explore Big Pharma drug corruption? Eight members of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) expert COVID-19 Treatment Guideline Panel are on Gilead's payroll. Gilead makes Remdesivir, the drug that cost hospitals $3000-$5000 per patient and has no statistical effect on covid 19 deaths. The NIH panel allowed the Remdesivir trial to change their endpoints during the trial from measuring effects on mortality to effects on hospital stay.

If readers want to explore 65 studies on HCQ, both good and bad, see post #54 and forget all the political chatter.

Thank you for your intelligent post. It makes the most sense of anything I have read so far.

I doubt your statement regarding "side effects." They gave the stuff to EVERYONE that was shipped to Vietnam so if your statement is true then thousands of Vets could be suing the gov. for poisoning them. I believe that your "side effects" have been disproved.

:agree:
A doctor in Texas is recommending it as a treatment for the virus.
I think it looks promising.

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With the onset of COVID-19, I’m sure that the same thing is happening with HCQ— Yale professors and doctors have no scientific proof and are probably cashing in on claims that it could have an effect on the virus— probably for their own personal gains.

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For once I will agree with you.

The sheer politics with this virus is staggering....from endorsements from politicians, witch doctors and the like.

I have been taking this drug for about two years or more for rheumatoid arthritis, and it works great, but never considered it as anything for this virus. I was told about heart, and was checked out......need vision test strictly every 12 months specific for side effects, but other than some minor side effects, it does well.

Why folks have become so distrustful of the medical field unless they have the same political leanings as you is well beyond me. I cannot imagine asking a doctor to whom I go to for help, about how he is registered and how he votes. Nor can I imagine calling my political party for endorsement of a doctor of doctors advice.

Science Check
 

The results of the study used in the Newsweek opinion piece and its author are somewhat suspect. For additional insight you can view:

Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19: Evidence can’t seem to kill it – Science-Based Medicine

I took the drug once before going to an area in which malaria was a factor. To me it was a very unpleasant drug to take and I was happy to be done with it after completing the course of treatment.

Maybe it is because your doctor cares about her patients and knows it is not good for covid.

I would think you would listen to your doctor and a true scientist when they say it is not good for you.

Exactly......

What you take it for is different than covid. It is not supply and demand it is not the thing to take for covid. The man in the white house has the supply and demand in a warehouse that can't be used. Because it it not prescribed for covid. It has been found that it can harm you. I just don't understand what people don't get about scientific results to to people who don't know what they are talking about.

Why do you say you think seniors would like this medication because it is high in demand. It is not in demand by people who know what it does to you like doctors. Only people who want attention want to say it helps when they don't have a clue to the side effects.

Sorry for veering off-topic...it hit a nerve. When people are complaining about their rights being violated when it comes to simply putting a light weight mask on their faces, or not being prescribed a drug that hasn’t been approved for the virus, there are those in pain who are denied an approved drug for that purpose. It’s not difficult to put on a mask—it’s difficult to live in pain. Therefore, a patient can ask their doctor for an opioid prescription if needed, because that isn’t an unapproved drug for pain— they’re not allowed to prescribe them. If they do, now having a data base requires extra time and work to document every opioid prescription— due to the over-prescribing of them, the addiction factor, and unethical doctors (see my post about big pharma). A person would be flagged immediately for abuse, possible selling of the drug, or going to multiple doctors for multiple prescriptions.

The government is way too involved with our personal lives and medical care. The war on drugs has affected people who greatly benefit from pain medications. The only difference now is that the pain management doctors are making a killing (no pun intended) by the new regulations.

So why wouldn’t a primary care doctor be responsible enough to prescribe them if no other treatment worked?
A doctor who really knows her patients should know that their request is legitimate. If someone asks for it, and he prescribes it responsibly, there should be no concerns.

Sorry for my tangent
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I prefer to listen to the experts not every doctor that has an opinion.

I think a "good" doctor would not prescribe it just because you ask for it when it does not work and could hurt you.

Medicine
 

I went to my doctor and asked if he would prescribe a statin if I got COVID 19. He refused, so I repeated my request saying there has been along history with statin and use and I am unaware of any deaths from it. I told him what have I got to lose? He still refused so I must seek another doctor who is willing to prescribe things I read about.

That study was reported on June 1; and it was probably done in April and May, 2020.
Now it's July 29, almost August.
Do you have more recent statistics?

Here is a link, posted previously in the thread that lists 65 studies, several from July

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment

They ALL do 8 years of academic classes and then about 2 years of residency. That's more education than most rocket scientists. If anything the bottom half may be over-qualified. They all know enough to help me. And I doubt that anyone in the ER, after a life threatening car accident asks, "What school did you attend and what was your GPA?"

Hydrox....follow the money???
 

Hydroxychioroquine
 

Would NOT a part of the flu, having not been eliminated by the flu VACCINE, be that 100% of the people in the US and the world do NOT take it?

i have 4 friends in new york who recovered using it

Good one, touche!

100% with GoodLife on this one. “I saw”, “I heard” just doesn’t cut it. You have to READ the science.

If you read far enough you will find that it is ZINC that kills single strand RNA viruses (Covid) within the cells. The problem, zinc on its own cannot penetrate the cell wall. What is needed is something called an IONOPHORE which facilitates zincs entry to the cell. Any guess as to an effective ionophore for zinc? Yup, HCQ. The key is early treatment to PREVENT replication of the virus. Once you are sick enough to be admitted to the hospital you are way down the path of viral replication. Any wonder the doctors studying this treatment at that point are having less than successful trials? Any study not indicating coincident use of zinc should be disregarded. Of course it won’t work.

Are there alternatives for a zinc ionophore, of course. Read up on Quercetin and make your own choice. Both Zinc and Quercetin are readily available over the counter.

While you’re at it, check your Vitamin D level. How many here can instantly quote their BP, Cholesterol and Glucose levels and have no clue about Vitamin D? Probably the most important DEFENSIVE strategy you can use.

Thanks, very informative post. Most likely no one in TV land will die from what you wrote. But, what will be the future stats on various other opinions?????

If someone "overplays" the danger of CV in TV, what do they lose? - A few rounds of golf or drinks, or pickle ball? But if they "underplay" CV in TV then ??????

I would like to know the names of many doctors who say this is good to use. Please tell me their names.

Cbn news
 

I’ll possibly watch Christian Broadcast Network for religion not news and I never watc Pat Roberts

are you serious or is this a joke. statins have a number of side effects. one of the most dangerous is rhabdomyolysis. it's when muscle cells break down. it can lead to renal failure. fortunately, patients are cautioned when put on it (or should be) to report any unexplained muscle aches because that is a symptom. so many people avoid this. as a pharmacist in a hospital I have seen patients admitted in very serious condition with this from being on statins so it does happen.

no medication should be prescribed unless there is a demonstrated need for it. all medications have side effects and how each individual patient reacts is never totally known. as a pharmacist, to me the best doctors (and the ones I always looked for when I needed a doctor) were those that didn't prescribe a lot of medications. the patients who fared the worst were the ones with pages of meds. given by doctors to basically "shut them up".

Good post. A true bullseye. We need the investigative reporters to chase that down. Under that rug, there could be a lot of undesireable insects.

I think you may be wrong. A study in 2008 by the National Institute of Health said that hydroxy given at early stage of corona virus was beneficial to “some “ Dr Fauci was head of the institute at that time

Great post and link.

2 good posts, double touche!

You know that people are not going to click a link to 65 "global" studies. Perhaps you could summarize those studies for all of us. Your conclusion suggests there are 65 studies showing a high effectiveness [not sure what defines high] for HCQ.

I will await your summary. Please also let us know about how many studies have been published or pre-print on the subject of whether HCQ is beneficial. Maybe this link has listed all the data. Maybe it has listed a very few studies while ignoring all the other ones that failed to show any benefit.

Just as a teaser.. here's one study your link touted as evidence of effectiveness if given early.
Done in Brazil they recruited by telemedicine people with symptoms consistent with Covid. The recommended HCQ and AZ for all of them. Some filled the scripts, some refused. Then they looked at hospitalization rates. Covid testing was NOT DONE. The rate of hospitalization was higher in the refused group. That is garbage science. It proves nothing about Covid. It proves that sick people given an antibiotic, azithromycin, or with early malaria, HCQ get better than people who take nothing. It is absolutely certain that a number of the sick people had something other than Covid. Some had strep, some had bacterial pneumonia, some had sinusitis or bronchitis.

You offer garbage science to support your "belief" and apparently think we are unable to use our BS detectors. The most recent study on your link they call inconclusive. The authors of the study disagree. The authors of the study state that their study shows NO benefit to HCQ. So in summary, while awaiting your detailed analysis.. The authors of the link mis-categorize studies showing no benefit as neutral and promote garbage as proving benefit. I did not read all of them. But enough to see how useless your link is for proving anything beyond an agenda.

2008........Corona Virus.

Don't think that virus existed in 2008, so you are listening to the Fauci personal bashing and truth does not sit well with that group