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jimjamuser 07-29-2020 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 1810269)
The results of any study are greatly influenced by who funds the study
That's why we need to pay MORE taxes, not LESS so that studies are NOT done by private organizations. The taxpayers need to be willing to PAY for good taxpayer sponsored Medical studies. If you choose the cheapest option, you normally get the worst outcomes. A taxpayer MIGHT (?) have more money in their pockets with lower taxes, but, like today you now have to make YOUR life or DEATH decisions on cheap, marginal information. In the 50s through 70s Universities got their research money from government / taxpayers and people GAINED knowledge from GOOD research. Now you have money in your pocket but you are completely UNSURE whether or NOT you can trust your government or your Doctors. Big change from around the 60s when taxes were higher and PROGRSSIVE!!!!

blueash 07-29-2020 01:17 PM
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105..._railB_article

Just published with three groups. All patients were hospitalized but not severely ill at the time of randomization. One group no medication, one group HCQ, one group HCQ and AZ.

Results in this randomized intervention NO BENEFIT

Also prolonged QT interval changes was only seen in the treated group. So side effects but no benefit. Was this study on the list of 65 global studies. Nope.

mneumann02 07-29-2020 01:26 PM
Thank you. Well stated. Trust science and facts. Not those with agendas.

coffeebean 07-29-2020 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1810036)
DR HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH

“When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective,” Risch explained. “Especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.”

Earlier this month, a large peer-reviewed study found that hydroxychloroquine cut the mortality rate of COVID-19 by more than half and, contrary to previous claims by faulty studies, had no adverse effects on the heart.

Link goes to Newsweek article

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Your link says, "You have been blocked", although the link does work. Thank you for posting this. I would present this article to my doctor in the event my doctor would not prescribe it. I would want my husband to do the same if he needed this medication.

jimjamuser 07-29-2020 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1810325)
I doubt your statement regarding "side effects." They gave the stuff to EVERYONE that was shipped to Vietnam so if your statement is true then thousands of Vets could be suing the gov. for poisoning them. I believe that your "side effects" have been disproved.
Was that the same military organization that gave out agent orange to be inhaled by GIs? That CARING organization?

coffeebean 07-29-2020 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810050)
And if it’s not effective, then why did Chris Cuomo take it? Why are the politicians able to get it? Something stinks here.....
Health care and front line workers are taking this medication too. Problem is, I read that many are taking it as a prophylactic, not once they develop symptoms. I guess they figure if they are asymptomatic for Covid, why not take it?

blueash 07-29-2020 01:36 PM
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

Another recent study again in the New England Journal looking at using HCQ as a preventative in exposed people, specifically high and moderate risk exposure meaning close contact for greater than 10 minutes to a known positive.

Conclusion
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Overall, 87.6% of the participants reported a high-risk exposure to a confirmed Covid-19 contact. The incidence of new illness compatible with Covid-19 did not differ significantly between participants receiving hydroxychloroquine and those receiving placebo .... Side effects were more common with hydroxychloroquine than with placebo (40.1% vs. 16.8%), but no serious adverse reactions were reported.
The most recent meta analysis [looking at all published data and combining the results] pre-published on Jul 24 using all data available through Jul 19 concludes:
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The results of the meta-analysis on comparative studies indicated no significant clinical effectiveness .. for HCQ regimen in the treatment of COVID-19 in comparison to control group ... The same result was observed for the combination of HCQ+azithromycin ... No significant differences were found for both HCQ ..and HCQ+AZM .. mortality rate; however, mortality was affected by age differences according to meta-regression analysis (P<0.000001). No substantial difference was observed for disease exacerbation .. between HCQ group and controls. Also, radiological findings significantly improved in the HCQ group (... Odds of known HCQ adverse effects (diarrhea, vomiting, blurred vision, rash, headache, etc.) occurred in the HCQ regimen group was approximately 3.5 times of control group .., but no substantial differences were found regarding intubation odds between HCQ... Meta-analysis indicated no significant prophylactic effects for HCQ .. Conclusion: This systematic review and meta-analysis showed no clinical benefits regarding HCQ treatment with/without azithromycin for COVID-19 patients. Although mortality rate was not significantly different between cases and controls, frequency of adverse effects was substantially higher in HCQ regimen group.
[my bold]

Now tell me again about how the studies prove that HCQ is beneficial. The final result is not yet in. There are large ongoing randomized studies, but an unbiased look at the conflicting data so far available has overwhelmingly concluded that HCQ benefit is about as likely as that endometriosis is caused by having dreams about sex with demons.

Shamp 07-29-2020 01:42 PM
Can you name a few well respected doctors who agree that this medication is helpful in preventing or treating Covid? I'm not talking about that nut case doc who said she cured 350 patients of covid without wearing a mask. She also said that GYN issues are related to dreaming about sleeping with movie stars and other equally bizarre statements. Believe what you will, but Dr. Fauci likely has more expertise than anyone thinking they know more than their medical doctor.

coffeebean 07-29-2020 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by alfredpopcorn@gmail.com (Post 1810124)
Nope - trust your research. They used lancet as basis . They are uninformed physicians- that study was horrible in its set up . And will set lancet back for years as a legitimate publication.
Who are you replying to, the original poster or post #21? Which study are you speaking about?

coffeebean 07-29-2020 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rwirish (Post 1810129)
Absolutely would not take this. Trust the medical professionals not whacky politicians.
But.......there are countless medical professionals who have seen great results and improved death rates when this drug is used as soon as symptoms appear. That IS trusting the medical professionals.

blueash 07-29-2020 01:52 PM
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Triciakaye
I think you may be wrong. A study in 2008 by the National Institute of Health said that hydroxy given at early stage of corona virus was beneficial to “some “ Dr Fauci was head of the institute at that time
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1810407)
2008........Corona Virus.

Don't think that virus existed in 2008, so you are listening to the Fauci personal bashing and truth does not sit well with that group
Corona virus has been known for decades. What did not exist in 2008 was Covid-19 The 19 is a label indicating this particular variety was first noted in 2019.
However Tricia's claim is also wrong. During the SARS epidemic [SARS is also a Corona virus but not the same as Covid-19] the NIH did research looking for anything that might help. It was found in vitro [in a test tube] that HCQ slowed viral growth. It was never tested on humans for that disease. But it was in part because of some NIH research that doctors thought to try HCQ in Covid-19

And the SARS epidemic was not in 2008 but in 2003 mostly.

Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread

This is the NIH study. Perhaps Dr. Fauci's long experience with using HCQ should add some credence to accepting his fairly authoritative opinion on its utility in Covid-19

coffeebean 07-29-2020 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1810170)
I would trust Dr Fauci.
Let us remember Dr. Fauci is the expert who told Americans a little white lie early on in this pandemic. He told us that wearing masks were only good for people with Covid and for people who were taking care of patients with Covid. Why did he lie????? Because he was concerned there would not be enough PPE for the front line and health care workers.

Hydroxychloroquine has already been difficult for those patients who take it for autoimmune diseases. I personally know someone who has had difficulty getting the medication that is needed for their illness.

So.......No, I would not trust Dr. Fauci about the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine. He is guarding the supply for those who are already on the drug for other illnesses than Covid.

coffeebean 07-29-2020 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JudyLife (Post 1810229)
The FDA have not approved this drug for treatment in Covid 19. Your doctor acted responsibly in not prescribing. Hydroxychloroquine has been effective to some extent in treating Lupus and malaria, not Covid 19.
If there is one person who is alive today because they took the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail, it is worth the risk, especially if you do not have a heart condition.

coffeebean 07-29-2020 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TooColdNJ (Post 1810257)
The manager of a large grocery chain is wined and dined by vendors to get them to recommend putting their products on the shelves, and physicians benefit from large pharma in the same, but larger scale way. They’re given vacations, research funding, gifts, etc. by big pharma that spends lots of $$ on marketing. Those long, costly ads onTV is marketing their drugs to the consumers as well. Imagine how many people go to their appointments asking their doctors for those “As seen in TV” drugs, or those endorsed by the President of the United States to treat their health issues. I believe it started with Viagra.

With the onset of COVID-19, I’m sure that the same thing is happening with HCQ— Yale professors and doctors have no scientific proof and are probably cashing in on claims that it could have an effect on the virus— probably for their own personal gains. Especially HCQ— while it might lessen the symptoms or keep us from getting CO19, it would be prescribed if studies proved that it works. Those who have shown milder symptoms are people that could have had milder or no symptoms in the first place.

Dr. Trump’s endorsement, and (unscrupulous) doctors who prescribe the medication, are probably invested in it in some way—even if it’s to benefit from the perks. I highly doubt that it’s being hoarded by politicians and unavailable to us. The possible risks outweigh the (unproven) benefits. If proven to work, don’t you think it would be manufactured to save a lot of lives, or is keeping it from us a new conspiracy theory?

Without solid scientific proof, (even though those now taking it claim to be having problems), there could be long term affects of taking a speculative drug. Maybe it’s worth trying as a last effort for those hospitalized with severe cases, because long-term risks aren’t an issue if someone is on their deathbed. Other than that, I think those doctors who readily prescribe it at this time are being negligent.
The drug is not speculative. This drug has been used for years for many autoimmune diseases. Taking the drug in the end stages of Covid has been shown not to be effective. From what I have read about the Hydroxychloroquine "cocktail" is it should to be taken as soon as symptoms appear to be effective.

coffeebean 07-29-2020 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SusanKD (Post 1810260)
Just a couple of days ago on Television their was some doctors and I think health org Doctors all agree that that medication is NOT going to work to cure Covid. So your doctor is correct.!
My understanding of the effectiveness of the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail is that it is not a cure for Covid. What it does is lessen the length of the disease and also lessens the severity of the disease. It is not to prevent the disease as it must be taken as soon as symptoms appear. This is a problem for aymptomatic people because they would not know when to start the cocktail.

coffeebean 07-29-2020 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Astron (Post 1810264)
Some folk have a very loose definition of “eminent”. I prefer going with the FDA, who advises against the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID19.
FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems | FDA
Known serious side effects posted on reputable sites include serious side effects and their symptoms can include the following:
blurred vision or other vision changes, which may be permanent in some cases
heart disease, including heart failure and issues with your heart rhythm; some cases have been fatal
ringing in your ears or hearing loss
angioedema (rapid swelling of your skin)
hives
mild or severe bronchospasm
sore throat
severe hypoglycemia
unusual bleeding or bruising
blue-black skin color
muscle weakness
hair loss or changes in hair color
abnormal mood changes
mental health effects, including suicidal thoughts”
Listen to your Doctor.
Typical list of side effects for just about any drug on the market today. Have you read the possible side effects of some of the more common drugs that Americans take on a daily basis?

blueash 07-29-2020 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1810435)
Let us remember Dr. Fauci is the expert who told Americans a little white lie early on in this pandemic. He told us that wearing masks were only good for people with Covid and for people who were taking care of patients with Covid. Why did he lie????? Because he was concerned there would not be enough PPE for the front line and health care workers.

Hydroxychloroquine has already been difficult for those patients who take it for autoimmune diseases. I personally know someone who has had difficulty getting the medication that is needed for their illness.

So.......No, I would not trust Dr. Fauci about the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine. He is guarding the supply for those who are already on the drug for other illnesses than Covid.
Your suggestions are entirely speculative. You have the right to speculate. However Dr. Fauci did not tell a "little white lie" about masks early in the pandemic. Dr. Fauci gave the correct public health advice based on studies available at the time of his statement.

On March 8, 2020 on 60 minutes, he said "Right now in the United States people should not be walking around with masks "

The first Florida Covid DOH report was on March 16th, a week after Fauci's interview. In that report it shows that up to Mar 8th there had been a total of 20 cases in the entire state of Florida. Does Dr. Fauci's suggestion that with 20 cases in a state of 20 million people there was no reason to divert masks from health care workers to the general public seem reasonable? [his comment was not specific to the numbers in Florida, but I have those numbers]

Both of these statements were accurate. He now says masks should be worn, as the science has evolved with new data.

Your assertion that somehow Dr. Fauci is saving HCQ for different diseases and that is why he is not recommending it is bogus. He is an infectious disease expert. If he has any bias it would toward using a medication to treat an infectious disease not a rheumatological one.

Leaving that aside.... There is no shortage. The manufacturers cranked up production and now the supply chain is fully stocked and the government has millions of additional doses stockpiled.

You can check it yourself on the FDA's drug shortage website.
FDA Drug Shortages

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Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate Tablets
Status: Resolved
»Duration of Shortage: 03/31/2020 - 06/26/2020
»Therapeutic Categories: Anti-Infective; Other; Rheumatology

Byte1 07-29-2020 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1810417)
Was that the same military organization that gave out agent orange to be inhaled by GIs? That CARING organization?
I'm not an expert and don't claim to be one (like some on here) but I believe that Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a medication. Just a guess, even though I was sprayed with it three times. I have had a liver biopsy and many tests over the years, but by the grace of GOD, I am still here.

Brings to mind an old saying that goes something like this:
For those that fight for it, Life [liberty, freedom] has a flavor that the protected will never know.

The military may be an "organization" to some, but to me it was a SERVICE that I gave to my country, along with a blank check that stipulated my ALL, including my life if required.

The malaria medicine was considered safe at the time and is still used over fifty years later, with no qualms. Interesting that politics has superseded science and now this medicine is no longer safe but actually considered by a few as dangerous. Excuse me if I see a glass half full to your glass almost empty (speaking to all the naysayers on here).

DON10E 07-29-2020 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810026)
We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.
You didn’t ask what I would consider the most important next question: Why would she not prescribe it?

coffeebean 07-29-2020 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1810357)
Here is a link, posted previously in the thread that lists 65 studies, several from July

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 65 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment
From what I'm reading, the high effectiveness is when the drug is used for early treatment. Some of those studies where done in the later stage of the disease which had a negative outcome. The trick is the drug "cocktail" should be started at the onset of symptoms for positive results.

Stu from NYC 07-29-2020 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1810451)
I'm not an expert and don't claim to be one (like some on here) but I believe that Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a medication. Just a guess, even though I was sprayed with it three times. I have had a liver biopsy and many tests over the years, but by the grace of GOD, I am still here.

Brings to mind an old saying that goes something like this:
For those that fight for it, Life [liberty, freedom] has a flavor that the protected will never know.

The military may be an "organization" to some, but to me it was a SERVICE that I gave to my country, along with a blank check that stipulated my ALL, including my life if required.

The malaria medicine was considered safe at the time and is still used over fifty years later, with no qualms. Interesting that politics has superseded science and now this medicine is no longer safe but actually considered by a few as dangerous. Excuse me if I see a glass half full to your glass almost empty (speaking to all the naysayers on here).
First thank you for your service.

It is still apparently considered safe for treatment of Malaria there is a major question is how safe/effective it is for the virus.

Unfortunately what should be purely a medical issue has gotten politicized. For me when the vaccine comes out will take the advise of our primary care doctor. Hopefully we will not need treatment for the virus

meboyle 07-29-2020 02:54 PM
The FDA has not released it for this use.
 
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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1810026)
We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.
The government has interfered in doctor patient relationship, by not releasing or approving it for this use. I have testimony from a Yale discussing this. Dr. Reich Is a very credible doctor. I’ll try to post it.
Here it is.. Dr. Harvey Risch on the war against hydroxychloroquine | On Air Videos | Fox News

He says it all, and has been interviewed on many other outlets standing for this, and getting the government out of the way, doctor/patient relationship.
He is not a loon.

tvbound 07-29-2020 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1810295)
If you believe Drs. Fauci, Brix, and the heads and key doctors at CDC, NIH, etc., in tests of hydroxichloriquine, the drug showed no positive therapeutic effect during tests of the drug.

It’s the doctors and scientists or Donald Trump and his son. Who do you believe?
In three simple and clear sentences, you've summed up this whole circus perfectly. Quite frankly, it is astounding that this drug is even still a newsworthy issue. I personally wish as much (or even 1/2 the) effort in trying to discredit and ignore renowned medical scientists, was instead being put into establishing, advertising and enforcing national protocols for the benefit of all of our citizens (like mandatory mask wearing). Just as was done toward drunk driving and public smoking.

The most similar analogy to where we are now is the smoking issue, where it seems a lot of people have already forgotten how many doctors and other public figures, initially tried to downplay the adverse affects of smoking in general and especially the health detriments of even second-hand smoke. Then, of course, they tried to focus on how their "rights" were being taken away. Needless to say, those folks were on the wrong side of history and we are seeing the same thing repeat itself.

tvbound 07-29-2020 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mneumann02 (Post 1810413)
Thank you. Well stated. Trust science and facts. Not those with agendas.
That's the way it is supposed to work. With recognition, that as more facts and studies are done, some earlier observations may turn out to have been incorrect. The beauty of science and facts however, is that as more is found out with studies and experiments, ethical scientists will readily admit when they were previously wrong and then adjust their findings according to the accumulation of additional facts. Which is something that those with agendas, will never do.

xNYer 07-29-2020 03:16 PM
Recovery
 
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Originally Posted by rphil11ort (Post 1810378)
i have 4 friends in new york who recovered using it
Did it cause their recovery, you have no idea. There are people who took who died. Neither is evidence of efficacy.

jimjamuser 07-29-2020 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1810451)
I'm not an expert and don't claim to be one (like some on here) but I believe that Agent Orange was a defoliant, not a medication. Just a guess, even though I was sprayed with it three times. I have had a liver biopsy and many tests over the years, but by the grace of GOD, I am still here.

Brings to mind an old saying that goes something like this:
For those that fight for it, Life [liberty, freedom] has a flavor that the protected will never know.

The military may be an "organization" to some, but to me it was a SERVICE that I gave to my country, along with a blank check that stipulated my ALL, including my life if required.

The malaria medicine was considered safe at the time and is still used over fifty years later, with no qualms. Interesting that politics has superseded science and now this medicine is no longer safe but actually considered by a few as dangerous. Excuse me if I see a glass half full to your glass almost empty (speaking to all the naysayers on here).
The wind blew it into their lungs and some were oversprayed by it. And REALLY that's not rocket science or NEW news. Everybody knows THAT! And it does NOt need to be spelled out in detail!

New Adventures 07-29-2020 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mitchbr47 (Post 1810028)
Doctors and scientists are more knowledgeable on these matters than elected officials.
Trust the advice of your doctors.
Strange. I don't seem to recall that the doctor was asked if politically she would administer the medication. Maybe you should be on the political page and not this page. I'm sure most mature adults are able to separate themselves from politics during this time. We are all in danger of possibly becoming infected or hearing of a family or friend who didn't survive. Please keep the politics out of it. It doesn't promote any helpful knowledge to anyone with their questions or concerns. :ohdear:

GoodLife 07-29-2020 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1810454)
From what I'm reading, the high effectiveness is when the drug is used for early treatment. Some of those studies where done in the later stage of the disease which had a negative outcome. The trick is the drug "cocktail" should be started at the onset of symptoms for positive results.
You read correctly. Also, many Doctors say zinc should be part of the cocktail.

In regards to your earlier comment about asymptomatics. They don't need HCQ or any drug, as their immune system beats the virus without drugs.

sloanst 07-29-2020 04:52 PM
Just say that you are going to Africa (or some other malaria infected country) and that you need a prophylactic. You would prefer something generic and cheap. If they don't prescribe Hydroxychloroquine, ask them why they are trying to hurt your wallet.

Joanne19335 07-29-2020 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1810437)
If there is one person who is alive today because they took the Hydroxychloroquine cocktail, it is worth the risk, especially if you do not have a heart condition.
If you don’t have a heart condition, why would you risk getting one by taking a medication that has been proven ineffective and not recommended by the FDA for this virus?

GoodLife 07-29-2020 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1810504)
You are accepting the statements from a person who has a history of bizarre beliefs. She claims to have treated 350 people with a 100% cure rate, yet multiple studies do not find it has a benefit.
Gullible perhaps?
Multiple studies have shown it does have a benefit. Gullible perhaps?

How many patients have you treated?

coffeebean 07-29-2020 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1810476)
You read correctly. Also, many Doctors say zinc should be part of the cocktail.

In regards to your earlier comment about asymptomatics. They don't need HCQ or any drug, as their immune system beats the virus without drugs.
Thanks for that clarification. Makes sense.

coffeebean 07-29-2020 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Joanne19335 (Post 1810492)
If you don’t have a heart condition, why would you risk getting one by taking a medication that has been proven ineffective and not recommended by the FDA for this virus?
What about the public who take Hydroxychloroquine for auto immune diseases? This drug has been in use for many years.

pittta 07-29-2020 06:41 PM
Hidroxycloroquine
 
IlIt has been in South America, France, India with good results.
I personally called the nursing home in Texas where it was uses once again successfully (Even after deaths and positive tests, Texas City doctor declares victory with Trump-touted drug - HoustonChronicle.com)

Please watch this video for more info


Hydroxychloroquine /Zithromax Treatment Effective on 699 Patients N.Y. Study Find - YouTube

QUOTE=Happinow;1810026]We all have our views on this medication to treat Covid. I am a believer that It can help with Covid symptoms. With that said, I went to my primary care Dr. today for a physical. We got into a Covid discussion and I asked her if I was symptomatic with Covid, would she prescribe Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer was no. I said “if I asked for Hydroxychloroquine would you prescribe it” and she said no.

Hydroxychloroquine has long history with treating malaria with Great results no fatalities. It’s my body, and it’s what I choose to counteract Covid. I was disappointed to hear she would not prescribe this medication.

Have any of you asked your physicians if they would prescribe this, God forbid we get Covid? I would think this would be high on the priority list for us seniors who would like this medications.

Thank you for your input.[/QUOTE]

bmarasco 07-29-2020 06:50 PM
I think it’s best to first define how we will be using it !! - I have read that there is a much better chance of benefit in prevention than treatment.

marysackiss 07-29-2020 06:56 PM
The VooDoo Dr from Huston promotes no masks, but, use this drug that does not get, pay attention to the real science!

Mary Windsor 07-29-2020 07:26 PM
Interesting that you’ve been taking this medication. I have had scleroderma for many years, yet no doctor or consultant has ever suggested taking it. Perhaps it’s because I have heart complications, but what benefits did you find after starting it?

Kilmacowen 07-29-2020 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1810513)
What about the public who take Hydroxychloroquine for auto immune diseases? This drug has been in use for many years.
yes , Used for auto immune disease to suppress the immune system. Why would you want to suppress your immune system for a virus??? Doesn't make sense.

Also, a 12 old neighbor was going to Africa with his physician Dad and got malaria shots , or medication , he never woke the next morning. This was 10 yrs ago and I don't know if it was hydroxycloroquine.

Bucco 07-29-2020 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1810530)
The overwhelming evidence is against the drug, yet you take the ravings of a lunatic as evidence. Why is it so important to you. Cancer, heart conditions, diabetes medical experts count. COVID you search for proof that a discredited drug should be used. It makes no sense.
I am incredulous that on a forum such as this, people recommending drugs, asking for drugs based on a forum, searching for YouTube videos to validate a drug.

And at the same time, ignoring medical experts, and ignoring what they say.

All seem tied to a political stance. It is hard to believe adults can be like that.

I feel the same way about dispensing medical advice on a forum.

We are not allowed to discuss certain items on here, but we are free to dispense medical opinions, try to validate certain drugs.

I cannot get out of my mind, a young man recently in news (not fake...VERY real) right before he died from Corona, saying he attended a party because he "thought" the virus was a hoax.

Yet our government does not warn, but just enables this stuff.

I pray we have very few cases like the young man, led to die because of tripe being said, NOT in the interest of anything other than P

GoodLife 07-29-2020 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1810530)
The overwhelming evidence is against the drug, yet you take the ravings of a lunatic as evidence. Why is it so important to you. Cancer, heart conditions, diabetes medical experts count. COVID you search for proof that a discredited drug should be used. It makes no sense.
I haven't seen Dr Immanuel's evidence, but I have read a lot of studies by other Doctors

Many of them show positive results. You keep saying "overwhelming evidence is against the drug" which just shows your ignorance of science.

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