Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2222775)

Why???? So you can hurry up and support illegal aliens?????

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2223031)

I completely agree and I'm happy to see this post. The problem is a large part of the population has been trained to be frightened of people who are not white and shiny because they are "rapists and murderers."

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2223095)

Anyone that is honest with themselves, knows how very blessed they were to be born on this side of a man made line called a border. Groups of political leaders decided where these country borders should be and they can change at any given time. People born on the other side of the line are equal in humanity in every way shape and form. They cross the “government” line and all of a sudden some think they are some kind of subhuman species.

At times I’m torn by the fact that I want to enjoy what I think I have built up for myself and the very fact that we are all human with the distinction of having made up borders. What gives me the right to say me first?

The law enacted on July 1 is a good one, because it establishes order. The more people we have, the more order we need. I also feel like I have no right to kick others out just because I was blessed enough to be born here and they got the short end of the proverbial stick.

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2223095)

Anyone that is honest with themselves, knows how very blessed they were to be born on this side of a man made line called a border. Groups of political leaders decided where these country borders should be and they can change at any given time. People born on the other side of the line are equal in humanity in every way shape and form. They cross the “government” line and all of a sudden some think they are some kind of subhuman species.

At times I’m torn by the fact that I want to enjoy what I think I have built up for myself and the very fact that we are all human with the distinction of having made up borders. What gives me the right to say me first?

The law enacted on July 1 is a good one, because it establishes order. The more people we have, the more order we need. I also feel like I have no right to kick others out just because I was blessed enough to be born here and they got the short end of the proverbial stick.

Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2223045)

It’s already easy for these people to come into our country. Not all are willing to work because they are bring illegal and deadly drugs into our country and are human traffickers. 60 billion a year untaxed dollars are going back to Mexico . They use our services and don’t pay income taxes . Hope that helps you choose correctly.

Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2223107)

Which border? US and Canada?

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2223115)

What is a border? Did you get to choose the side you would be born on? What effort did you place into becoming an American? Myself, none, although I did honorably serve in the armed forces. I’m not for open immigration, I’m also not close minded. The government needs to get on the stick and pass some laws. We don’t even have enough workers to open a 7/11 in Magnolia plaza.

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2222785)

Interesting to check your personal response:

A) Get the job finished before the labor pool shrinks and costs more
B) follow the rules first, and the system will work for everybody equally . .

Now if your response is an A response, think about why:
most likely its low cost and an acceptable small wait period due to abundant cheap labor
you personally feel good about getting good value for your dollar and in a reasonable time

Now if your response is a B response, think about why:
most likely its about the fairness, equality, country, control

Now thinks about why the two are in conflict in your mind:
When I apply for a management job, I have to provide legal identification and proof of eligibility to work
After I fill out the form, I feel its a pain in the ass, but some comfort that there are eligibility gates for people coming for your income.

But when I am paying out for the job, I prefer good value, cheap labor who performs well.
I don't care about the labor details of the people, as long as its cheap and well done.

Your typical human response is B is good for the country and the citizens, but A is good for me. .
The national economic strategy is best value for your hard earned money. . but does how enter your decision?


This is how most people think/feel. . but if you have to pick one, which do you pick?
everyone follows the rules, no special treatment or loopholes, or good value for your hard earned money, the cheaper the better no matter how its achieved?

if you take the time to really analyze the source of your thoughts and feelings,
they might well be in conflict as described above. . . which should make BOTH sides of your brain hurt

just food for thought about your social contract when buying services.

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 2222796)

We have a major problem getting people to work. So why don't we make it easy for these people to come into the country legally? They are willing to do the jobs that most Americans do not want to do. They pay taxes from their pay and when they buy stuff. MOST just want what we want, peace, safety and a place to raise a family without the fear of being killed.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2223116)

That may be a different problem. When you take an area larger than Manhatten and make it unavailable to working-age people it should be no surprise that there are a shortage of workers.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2223125)

Immigration laws do not matter if they are not enforced. When the powers that be order that those that break the laws of the land get a free pass, then having laws is all just a fancy facade. American citizen want Illegal Aliens in our country for one reason only. They want cheap labor and do not care how they get it. Even if it means by illegal means. "Everyone else is doing it." We have a work permit program and we have a visa program and green card program for those that wish to legally enter our country. What would your rather have in your country, those that support our laws or those that break our laws to begin their residency?
For some reason, we get new laws like the old laws but no one ever enforces them. It's much easier to enforce laws on decent folks that might exceed the speed limit once in a while or park illegally.

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons (Post 2223082)

Now congress is thinking about giving illegals social security when social security is going to run into financial issues in 2034.
Anybody living here, needs to work, pay taxes and pay into social security and before anybody gets a dime off the tax payers that work

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons (Post 2223082)

Most of the illegals live off of our taxes for quite some time after they come into our country. Right now, NYC is putting the illegals up in expensive hotels, they are given money, phone, free health care, free school, etc.. all on our dime. Then some people want to hire illegals under the table so they don’t pay taxes. I think a lot of illegals don’t pay taxes mainly because if they don’t have a social security #, then they don’t pay taxes. Now congress is thinking about giving illegals social security when social security is going to run into financial issues in 2034.
Anybody living here, needs to work, pay taxes and pay into social security and before anybody gets a dime off the tax payers that work

Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2223106)

Canada must be an evil country (NOT) with these immigration requirements:
Documents for Express Entry - Canada.ca

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2223034)

WE DO NOT HAVE OPEN BORDERS. Those of us who don't have a problem with immigrants don’t want open borders, we just want immigration policies that make sense. A good place to start is admitting that we need immigrant labor. If you don’t think so talk to a farmer. In order for immigrants to stop acting as a wage suppressant, we might try treating them like human beings rather than things that exist purely for the purpose of exploitation.

Another part of the equation would be foreign policy objectives that seek to help stabilize the economies of countries where asylum-seekers are coming from. The current crisis on our southern border is due to intolerable living conditions in failing states in Central America. If we don’t deal with these tottering states the crisis will never end. Sometimes anyplace-else is better than where you are.

My friends want common sense immigration policies that treat immigrant labor with simple humanity rather than crass exploitation. This is a country built by immigrants. It seems to me that an immovable anti-immigrant position is just a denial of our historical legacy.

Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 2223113)

Too broad a brush, and who is this guy "they" (he sure gets around)!!! Many many, many administrations have tried to "FIX" immigration laws, hmmmm!, how is that working so far, it's beyond blaming "d's and r's", obviously our employers are screaming for help, the pandemic didn't help, so where do we go from here I'm curious REALLY how many American employees lost their job to immigrants or do they "Move on Up" to a better paying job, hmmm! If we could just keep our posts to facts and not fiction, maybe then, the truth will be the answer.

Originally Posted by waterflower (Post 2223164)

We have a major inequality of wages in this country. Slave wages prevent most Americans from working for the slave employers. Illegal immigration fuels this issue. United we stand/ Divided we fall. We need to raise the wages to a human standard. No one should work and continue to be in debt. The currency printing machine is off limits.

Originally Posted by waterflower (Post 2223164)

We have a major inequality of wages in this country. Slave wages prevent most Americans from working for the slave employers. Illegal immigration fuels this issue. United we stand/ Divided we fall. We need to raise the wages to a human standard. No one should work and continue to be in debt. The currency printing machine is off limits.

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2223031)

I completely agree and I'm happy to see this post. The problem is a large part of the population has been trained to be frightened of people who are not white and shiny because they are "rapists and murderers."

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2223204)

That is RIDICULOUS. So political, dragging race into every conversation. Did it ever occur to narrow minded people that most of us stopped seeing different ethnic groups ages ago. But we didn’t stop seeing the problems and vulnerabilities with open borders.

Immigration is not the problem at all, illegals are. They don’t work for less, they cost far more with all the subsidies provided by American citizens. What most of us want are law abiding citizenry and who gives a squat about skin color. Get over those narrow minded talking points.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2223207)

1. Undocumented immigrants who aren't granted refugee status - don't get subsidies from the Federal government. They can't get medicaid. They can't get social security checks. They can't get disability, or section 8 housing, or SNAP benefits. However, the ones who are in on work visas have to pay social security payroll tax - which they will NEVER benefit from. That money goes to you, and me, and whoever else qualifies for Social Security. Immigrants who are not made citizens pay, but don't receive. That's how it works. Now, some STATES will provide some assistance to undocumented immigrants, but Florida is not one of them. So the concern doesn't even apply here.

2. Refugees must cross into this country illegally, in order to even apply for refugee status.

I mean - all of this stuff is easily found on the federal government website, in plain English. You don't need to read anything on any fake news, or alt-media, or MSM or Newsmax or Fox or Breitbart or MSNBC or CNN or even C-Span. Just go to the government website, and read the details of the actual laws themselves, in simple PDF format.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2223220)

Cross into this country to apply for refugee status…. I’m well aware of this joke. Re-establish the original immigration rules and regulations.

The ones who are here without refugee status don’t want it, their making their living in illegal activities.

I don’t think any of us here are so stupid as to believe that the illegals are paying for our social security and receive no benefits from US citizens. Do a little research and find out how much this fiasco is costing the USA. It’s a real eye opener when you get out of the bubble and live in the real world.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2223223)

Some of us are thoughtful enough to know that this is common. A SSN is required for a job and taxes will be paid against it. Illegal status means they may not take advantage of any/many services for fear of being identified. Money in but no benefits out. Do a little research off the Fox News feeds, it may be enlightening.

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2222788)

Or Option C

C) fix the legal immigration system so this class of workers can come into the country legally, based on the need in the country.

Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2223310)

Funny. You have read, I would assume, the continuing attempts to allow SS benefits for the illegals.

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2223123)

Everyone should be in FAVOR of legal immigration for people who will WORK and contribute productively to US society

and AGAINST illegal immigration of people who will become WELFARE recipients in any form and be unproductive drain on the economy.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2223207)

1. Undocumented immigrants who aren't granted refugee status - don't get subsidies from the Federal government. They can't get medicaid. They can't get social security checks. They can't get disability, or section 8 housing, or SNAP benefits. However, the ones who are in on work visas have to pay social security payroll tax - which they will NEVER benefit from. That money goes to you, and me, and whoever else qualifies for Social Security. Immigrants who are not made citizens pay, but don't receive. That's how it works. Now, some STATES will provide some assistance to undocumented immigrants, but Florida is not one of them. So the concern doesn't even apply here.

2. Refugees must cross into this country illegally, in order to even apply for refugee status.

I mean - all of this stuff is easily found on the federal government website, in plain English. You don't need to read anything on any fake news, or alt-media, or MSM or Newsmax or Fox or Breitbart or MSNBC or CNN or even C-Span. Just go to the government website, and read the details of the actual laws themselves, in simple PDF format.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2223391)

Medicaid is managed by the states and they use the money for many different things, like free medical clinics, and RVs that provide free treatments and screenings. If people show up without identification and do not speak English, their motto is "when in doubt, shell it out". These mobile clinics target areas where a lot of illegals live. So, they are definitely getting Medicaid benefits. They also show up at hospitals and get free treatment. And, how do illegals pay into the SS system if they don't have a Social Security number?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2223394)

By providing a fake SSN number. Employers withhold taxes and send them in using the number provided. The IRS doesn't care (or even know?) that it is phony. SS taxes are collected with no possibility that they will ever be paid out to those individuals.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2223397)

Are you saying that the Social Security administration sets up an account for fake SS numbers? Who do they mail the annual statement to that shows how much you contributed into the system?

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2223397)

Are you saying that the Social Security administration sets up an account for fake SS numbers? Who do they mail the annual statement to that shows how much you contributed into the system?

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2223207)

1. Undocumented immigrants who aren't granted refugee status - don't get subsidies from the Federal government. They can't get medicaid. They can't get social security checks. They can't get disability, or section 8 housing, or SNAP benefits. However, the ones who are in on work visas have to pay social security payroll tax - which they will NEVER benefit from. That money goes to you, and me, and whoever else qualifies for Social Security. Immigrants who are not made citizens pay, but don't receive. That's how it works. Now, some STATES will provide some assistance to undocumented immigrants, but Florida is not one of them. So the concern doesn't even apply here.

2. Refugees must cross into this country illegally, in order to even apply for refugee status.

I mean - all of this stuff is easily found on the federal government website, in plain English. You don't need to read anything on any fake news, or alt-media, or MSM or Newsmax or Fox or Breitbart or MSNBC or CNN or even C-Span. Just go to the government website, and read the details of the actual laws themselves, in simple PDF format.