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We already have a worker visa program...

I don't doubt it, but my experience with the IRS is that, when they find an error in their favor, they will notify you and send you a refund. In this case, the employer is required to contribute about half of the Social Security tax on behalf of each employee. It sounds like the IRS is basically stealing that money from the employer.

Really?

Could you please explain this?

Did the IRS Send Thousands of Tax Refunds to the Same Addresses? | Snopes.com

What is there to explain? If anything the article supports what I wrote.

Note that the 24,000 refunds were for payroll taxes and not SS taxes. There is no allegation that the filings were filled out incorrectly and the refunds were not deserved, only a question of whether the individuals should have been working in the first place.

This shows payroll deductions, likely including SS taxes, were made by/for these workers. If these were ineligible workers then the SSNs were fake and will never be collected against. Money into the system with no possibility of benefits being paid.

A local news station did a piece on this. There is plenty of evidence that it's fraudulent... The IRS never replied to inquiries form the accountants or the reporter...

ITINs, not SSNs...

Over $4 BILLION in fraudulent claims...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gwWaKkV6RM&t=154s

Oh! Income tax return fraud. Yep, could very well be a problem though this report is 12 years old. Illegals aren't the only ones who cheat on their taxes but stopping any cheaters would help.

I was commenting on SS taxes which are separate from what this report is covering.

You stated "There is no allegation that the filings were filled out incorrectly and the refunds were not deserved..."

Well, I gave you the proof...

And all you can come up with is "everybody does it"? That's your defense?

And we pay far more into the subsidies for these illegal workers than the sniveling amount they pay into the SS program. It’s all a shell game, far above the heads of many.

I live in the real world not on Fox TV. But I can see you want to make this political. You haven’t a clue how much is being drained out of Americans pockets for this illegal setup.

I suggest you move away from those TV channels that offer little substance. Try thinking Independent, it’s a real mess out there. No wonder SS is going broke, money which should be focused on Seniors is being siphoned away to everyone but.

I’m pretty sure those were different filings.

In any case, it feels like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. No thanks, not interested.

It's not just here in the U.S. where there aren't enough people willing to work. A friend of ours in Germany owns a company that cleans passenger airplanes at the Frankfurt airport. He struggles to get employees willing to work. He can't even get the recent immigrants to hire on. The young people there don't want to work just like here. Also, Germany has social programs that pay people who don't want a job. It isn't a huge amount but it's enough to live with mommy and daddy and provide them with enough money to party.

Once again, more stuff you can easily find out by going to the actual government website.

It's called an ITIN: an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, given to
– Unauthorized immigrants,
– Lawfully present individuals, and
– U.S. resident aliens/nonresident aliens

Anyone who is here pending refugee status is an "unauthorized immigrant" by definition. They can work, and they are obligated to pay taxes, but they are not entitled to receive social security checks upon retirement. They can get child tax credits if they qualify just like any other taxpayer, though.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/20-I...20Taxation.pdf

Seriously - y'all need to stop listening to alt-facts and read actual official documentation once in awhile. It's healthy.

Can you please name one state that does this and then show me some proof of what you are saying is true by including a link to that state.....I'll wait

Pretty sure they're not different at all...

And yes, you are arguing just for the sake of arguing...

But I'll keep pointing out your mistakes...

And they scam the tax system at unprecedented rates...

Y'all need to pull your head out if the sand and see what's actually going on...

Read this:

Health Coverage and Care of Undocumented Immigrants | KFF

And expanding Medicaid is surely on the table...

Blue states put the brakes on health care for undocumented immigrants - POLITICO

But wait... There's more!

"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) ensures that all patients regardless of citizenship or immigration status have access to emergency medical treatment. The purpose of EMTALA is to ensure all Medicare-participating hospitals do not to turn away individuals who need lifesaving care. Undocumented immigrants use of EMTALA-related services is often covered via emergency Medicaid."

Fact Sheet: Undocumented Immigrants and Federal Health Care Benefits - National Immigration Forum

"Emergency Medicaid provides medical coverage to uninsured individuals who do not qualify for Medicaid due to citizenship/immigration status. This program pays the health care costs for individuals who have experienced a medical emergency. "

Emergency Medicaid | dhcf.

It was a pretty short wait...

Well, the Snopes article you posted concerned 23,994 returns and 11,294 returns going to two addresses in Atlanta. The video you linked to discussed issues in Indiana including one home where five returns were filed. Seems different to me.

Yes, please keep pointing out my mistakes.

Are you kidding? Virginia for one. But almost every state uses Medicaid money to provide medical care to illegals. Any illegal can just show up at any hospital emergency room and get free medical care. The hospitals get Medicaid money. Here is just one website that claims that Medicaid spends about $18.5 billion on illegals.

Reports: Illegal immigrants receiving Medicaid costs taxpayers $18.5 billion annually | AP News

Do you really think that Medicaid funded clinics screen for illegals and turn them away?

Yes, please hurry so we can exploit these illegal immigrants before companies are forced to hire American workers!

Instead of hiring 87,000 IRS workers they should hire that many in the Immigration Service, and then we wouldn’t have to worry about it.

Any American citizen who doesn't want to pay a bill can walk into any public hospital and get care too. All the criminals who got hurt in the process of robbing a store, carjacking a car, kidnapping a child, torturing a dog, raping their daughter, beating up an old lady - if the criminal got hurt - they will get free medical care courtesy of the taxpayer. Whether they walk into the ER on their own steam, or the police send them to ER after they're caught, they won't have to pay the bill.

And that's just the American citizens I'm talking about. I don't see anyone whining about Americans who commit violent crimes and get hurt in the process getting free medical care in the ER courtesy of the taxpayer. Well actually I do. When the criminal is brown or black, they are criticized. When the criminal is white "boys will be boys" or some such, most of the time.

Funny how prejudice works. Everything is working as intended, until "other" does it. Then the system is bad.

The plan was to hire a total of 87,000 employees over the course of a 10-year period. That number would include all the tens of thousands of employees who are replacing those who retire, quit, are fired, or die while employed during that 10-year period. It also includes couriers, secretaries, office associates, building maintenance employees (janitors) to fill out existing vacancies and make the entire system work more efficiently.

Right now there are millions of dollars not collected, that should be collected, but there just aren't enough people working in the system to get the job done efficiently. That's OUR money - the money our government uses to run the country - that isn't getting collected.

You want to talk about waste - there's a big chunk of it. We have an inefficient IRS system because everyone wants to "save money" and refuses to fund the organization responsible for collecting all the money you're saving.

That's because it's happening everywhere!

Do you really think it's only happening in one place?

1. There is a difference between US Citizens and Illegal Aliens....

2. Go to any other country and try to get "free" health care. Let me know how that works out for you...

3. Playing the race card doesn't help your case...

How many of them will be Lois Lerner Clones?

THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM!
The most striking statistic is that only 6 percent of all Black test takers were rated ready for college-level courses in all four areas of English, mathematics, science, and reading. Whites were more than five times as likely as Blacks to be prepared for college-level work in all four areas.

Black Students’ Scores on the ACT Test Continue to Fall and the Racial Gap Widens : The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education

Why have we rolled out the welcome mat to every other poor person on the planet when we have such failures like this?

This should be the nations highest priority. Why isn't it. Well it is not because of lack of funding. Every student in a failing school should have school choice.

But that will never happen because it is much harder to play the race card for political purposes when the disparities of education and standard of living is eliminated between the races.

I was addressing your Post No. 66 that said about "undocumented immigrants", "They can't get Medicaid". That is totally false. They can and do get Medicaid.

Just another case of "If you can't debate the topic, change the parameters..."

I see a difference between being given a medicaid "card" to use for health insurance and medicaid funds being given to hospitals that provide emergency services to the uninsured. Still, there are some States that provide a limited amount of direct medicaid coverage to undocumented individuals.

In the case of treating the uninsured, what would you have the emergency rooms do? Should they leave someone untreated if they don't have insurance? Should they ascertain someone's citizenship or immigration status and only leave the undocumented untreated? I don't like the immigration situation any more than anyone else but I can't see leaving people to die in the waiting room or allowing hospitals to go broke and close because those they save cannot pay.

I agree that emergency treatment should be provided for "real" emergencies. But I don't think hospital emergency rooms should provide non-emergency care for anyone, insured or not, because it causes long wait times for people who really need the care. There is a common misconception about the Federal law regarding what emergency rooms are required to do. They only need to stabilize a patient so that he/she can be transferred somewhere else. Hospitals receive large amounts of money from local, state, and the Federal Government to treat indigent patients. Some uninsured people use the emergency room as their primary care facility, which hospitals should not allow.

Same pants, different pockets...

Nice straw man...

But thanks for reinforcing the reason for controlling our borders...

Oh, and here's a pro tip: Many hospitals have already closed due to all of the "free" care given to illegal immigrants...

Texas Dr. Antonio Falcon: We’re Facing A Catastrophic Situation On The Border | KFF Health News

A Hospital on Border Going Over the Edge - Los Angeles Times

At Yuma's hospital, migrants are taking beds from local residents - Washington Times

Hospital Stuck With $20 Million Bill for Medical Care to Illegal Migrants

And finally (Everybody drink!)

L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants | Fox News

Good luck with that... It's not up to the hospital...

When they turn someone away and that person as a bad outcome, just start adding zeros to the settlement check...