Second hand smoking kills people too! Drunk drivers have killed many innocent people and little children. Who knows, we may have people 50 and 100 pounds overweight living unhealthy lives demanding that you where your mask! They might even reward you for wearing a mask like passing out Cuban cigars! Oh yes please stuff the turkey and not yourselves! Smile it might make someone’s day!

It is reported that millions more people are wearing masks , why then are testing positive numbers still growing. And once inflected it is reported you are immune . We all still have freedom of choice don’t let the fear mongers take you freedoms away, no mandates period. With vaccines available in the very near future, (thank you President Trump) the virus will be eliminated.

I believe you would be well advised not to attempt to lecture golfing eagles on science, as you tried to do, since he is a retired physician and almost certainly knows more than you.

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You said it yourself----carriers with NO SYMPTOMS. So without coughing, sneezing, or spitting and doing nothing else but staying 6 feet away, just how do you think they can spread the virus? No, just breathing and talking in a normal tone won't do it.

Intelligent Comment. The answer is that Americans are very independent and feel they have the right to both get the virus and to spread it to others. Isn't that what makes our country great? LOL.

Your implied question ..... maybe the answer is that too many believe it is just another flu.

I wear a mask indoors in public places and have no problem with it. I believe that everyone should.

But how would you suggest that a mask mandate be enforced? Would you have the police arresting people for not wearing a mask? Maybe just giving out tickets?

You can make all the laws that you want but that won't stop people from breaking them.

Unless you are willing to have law enforcement tied up with confronting people that don't wear a mask, a mandate won't work. I supposed we could just raise taxes and hire a lot more people to police the mask mandate. We could call them the mask police.

Can the admin of this page please stop all of these useless posts about masks??? Or create a special page for them? Everyday someone is beating a dead horse! Enough already! People creating these post are extremely undereducated about the topic! They haven’t changed a single persons mind one way or the other and they certainly haven’t educated a single person! Please Mr or Mrs admin stop the fear mongering posts and get back to what this page was initially intended for.

So move there.

First of all, the whole idea behind wearing masks and social distancing was NOT to eradicate the virus, but to hopefully slow the spread so ICU units would not be overrun. That was called Flattening the Curve. Secondly if you look at the states in the NE that have had long standing mask mandates and much stricter rules on behavior than Florida, they are spiking at a much higher rate than Florida. So if mask mandates and strict rules haven’t worked there, what makes you think making it national would? That’s basically science, huge test groups showing it’s not successful...

Explain why surgeons and surgical nurses have worn masks for years. Political? Hopefully now, with real experts and scientists coming on board we can move away from the silliness that masks are political. As long as "leaders" keep pounding into our heads that masks don't work, the more people repeat it and the more people believe it.

We should not NEED a mask MANDATE. People should wear a mask indoors around others not in there home out of consideration of others. I went 8 months without anyone I know getting Covid. Now I have 20 friends with it including my mother in nursing home.

What has happened to America where we used to stick together for the good of this country? People used to ration food and gas. Used to change jobs. Used to fight wars. Now we can’t do something as simple as wear a mask indoors around others? Everyone crying about the weakness of our young people. I see them as the hopeful saviors of our country and the old stubborn ones making us a third world country. Don’t make masks a political issue.

Mask wearing is not political; it’s an IQ test.

I agree with you 100%. Tired of these nonsensical "debates" where everyone says the same thing every time.

If you refuse to mask up, then brace yourself for a potential very nasty bout with the virus and please stay away from me! Nothing personsl...just an overabundance of caution.

I've only been to my TV home for about 5 weeks spread out over 3 trips in 2020. The rest of the time has been in NJ where I'm at right now.

Masks are required to enter anywhere inside that is public. Restaurants are only allowed 25% seating capacity. My work place is mandatory masks and has been since the first week in April. There are mandatory temp checks for visitors. The list of rules goes on and on. It hasn't made much if any difference at all.

As far as asymptomatic spread, there is a Chinese study out this week on asymptomatic spread and the result? No one got infected from asymptomatic spread and these are people living in homes, together. Not random strangers.

I should point out that there is a difference between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic. As far as I know, the study did not differentiate between the two. The whole point of masks is to predominantly stop spread from people who don't know they are sick. This study seems to drive a stake right through that whole narrative. Of course, we know the Chinese lie about everything, so who knows what it really means. I do know that sick people should isolate!

Not to be a broken record here, but Vitamin D has now been proven to make a difference. Yes, proven, via randomized, placebo controlled, clinical trials to improve mortality, reduce hospitalizations and speed up viral clearance. Masks? Maybe they help, maybe they don't, the Danish study on masks, while a poor study seems to indicate they don't help much. They definitely help if you are sick to stop spread, but to people without symptoms, it seems to be pointless.

So let me get this straight. You need and want the Federal Government to ORDER citizens to follow what THEY think is proper.

Are you familiar with world history? That type of power NEVER ended well.

Sheesh

prove it...cite your sources

Taiwan is not a communist country. While mainland China claims that Taiwan is part of their country, Taiwan is still a separate country. Please be careful about your assertions.

Taiwan - Wikipedia

Michigan has a mandatory mask requirement and numbers are increasing. I will never wear a mask when out walking by myself. Fresh air is good for you.

Not going to happen
 

I, for one, will never wear a mask while outdoors in the open air. Several governors including Hogan in Maryland said just yesterday that "you have no constitutional right not to wear a mask". LOL - what a moron. I would like to respond: "you have no constitutional power to mandate that I wear a mask".

For those who haven't read the constitution and don't understand that we have ALL rights except those specifically given to government, I offer the following logic.

Somehow, about 1/2 the population and most in government power including the US Supreme Court have found a woman's right to abortion in the constitution somewhere. I've read it several times and I can't seem to locate it. One of the mantra's of the pro-abortion crowd is "my body my choice". If a woman has the right to abortion, I most certainly have the right not to wear a mask.

Well, that's now my mantra using the same logic. My body - my choice. I choose not to wear a mask. Don't even think about arguing how me not wearing a mask might affect other people as I can make that same argument about abortion. An abortion kills another human absolutely.

My body - My choice. I think I'll have a t-shirt made.

Mask compliance is actually quite good. With two exceptions, every facility/store that I have been to in the last 2 months have either required masks or requested masks and nearly everyone was wearing a mask. The two exceptions are restaurants and MVP gym.

If the mask wearing was working in those areas why would they be doing lockdowns again?

I think zinc also has some benefit in fighting covid.

Yes and in Australia mak wearing also dramatically reduced the number of cases of "ordinary" flu during their winter.

Really? Look at the states with long standing mask mandates and look at their positive test numbers. It’s not hard it’s available to everyone. Look it up - I did, you can too. Or you can take the lazy approach and turn on your TV and only get whatever information the station you’re watching deems “newsworthy”. Look at the states actual numbers. Mask mandates, restrictions and lockdowns don’t work.

Actually it is scientific and it isn't - and shouldn't be - political.

Following public health directives to save lives doesn't make people sheep, not following doesn't make people wolves, it makes them idiots or dead or causing others to die.

Who mentioned living in fear?
All I said was take necessary steps to protect yourself when out in public.
You must be quite young to be as confident to ignore all precautions, but I am 80+ so when out shopping, walking etc. I just take reasonable steps to avoid non conformists like yourself.
Stay lucky!

This post convinced me to start wearing a mask. All those facts make me realize the error of my ways. I will do a better job of protecting myself and others in the future. Now, once you receive the vaccine, please turn that TV off. Get out and enjoy life.

IMO it isn’t the mask wearers who are afraid, but those who refuse to wear one. “You can’t make me!” sounds like a recalcitrant teenager, rather than a responsible adult.

Agree it is political but it has been scientifically proven that masks do work as source control. Don't believe me? Google it and read the many articles which have covered this most discussed subject. Go to YouTube also and watch videos of how the spread of aerosols and droplets are minimized when wearing a mask. These videos have been out there and I've posted several myself on this site.

If you choose not to embrace the science and visible proof then that is on you.

If you believe that I have a bridge I have for sale

Agreed!!!

Why are we choosing to ignore and resist the obvious facts? Wearing a mask and respecting social distancing not only protects the wearer’s life, but more importantly the lives of those around him. It’s been proven here in the U.S. that these simple practices will slow and even stop the spread of COVID in a matter of weeks. We could flatten the curve very quickly while awaiting the arrival of the vaccine. Saving lives and avoiding a very difficult way to die is not a political issue. Why are we making it one?

The Imperial College London who carries out modelling for the UK government estimated the infection fatality ratio (the percentage of all infected people who die from the disease, including those with mild disease) as 0.66%.

COVID is only serious for a very small percentage of individuals with preexisting conditions in which the coronavirus is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back. That said, if you already have health issues, then do wear a mask and practice social distancing. For the rest of us, we can get back to normal and not worry about it.

I know a great many people who have had COVID all with very mild symptoms. I never wear a mask and have been in close contact with other infected individuals and never had any symptoms.

"Misinformation is just as dangerous as the disease is right now," says Erie News Now Contributor, Dr. Becky Dawson. "I think we are spreading misinformation as quickly as we are spreading the disease."

Don't buy into the hype and fear. Allow common sense to rule the day at last and enjoy the holiday season!

Well Said. So many people are selflessly ignorant.
 

Well said. So many people are selfishly ignorant!

Not in this reality. No one comes in my home without permission. I'm single and what I do here is no one's business but my own.

Why!

My dr says vit D, vitC,zinc, and Quercetin will help build immune system to fight Covid

Three issues jump out at me with your comments.

1) A person who drinks alcohol excessively does not harm anyone but his/her self.

2) A person smoking does not damage anyone else's lungs but his/her self. There are laws in effect now that prohibit smoking indoors.

3) A person does not know if he/she is sick if said person is an asymptomatic carrier of the virus. That asymptomatic carrier may very well be infecting others and not even realize he/she may be the cause of someone becoming seriously ill with Covid or even die from it. Who is willing to take that chance? Oh, I think I know!

I agree, simply common sense. Essential workers have to wear masks for long hours to protect others and themselves. I'm only glad to do my small part to wear a mask and social distance. I listen to the experts not someones so called opinion.

"...the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself" - Franklin D. Roosevelt
 

So many people have bought into the media's scare-mongering, it would be funny were it not so sad. As a retired ER RN & paramedic who worked through the AIDS & H1N1 time periods, we professionals did NOT take even half the precautions that the public afraid of COVID do. Common sense and not "something I read on the Internet" ruled the day. COVID is only "deadly" for a fraction of a percentage of the general population unless you have underlying health problems. Then you should wear a mask and social distance when around other people. I am in my late 60's and have been exposed to known persons with active COVID (as in sleeping next to my infected wife), never wore a mask, and never developed any symptoms.

News outlets thrive on stories of death & violence. "If it bleeds, it leads" is the age old axiom. One would think that the Black Death that occurred in the 1300's was upon us! The stress, anxiety, loneliness & loss of income caused by the fear of COVID is far more damaging than the virus itself.