Originally Posted by frose (Post 2113653)

very political shut it down!!!!!

Originally Posted by Reiver (Post 2113552)

"Thou shalt not kill"

Originally Posted by Sarah_W (Post 2113608)

The short answer is our Founding Fathers and their ancestors lived through terrible hardships and injustices done by the British Empire.

They were heavily taxed.

They were forced to house British soldiers. That means the government forced you to give up your bedroom, feed the soldier, clean his clothes, etc. and you had no choice. That government would send people to your home with no warrant and search your house just on their impulse.

They could be arrested on the street without a warrant and searched without probable cause.

They were not judged by a jury of their peers but a magistrate who may or may not allow you to speak on your behalf.

The list goes on. The 55 delegates who wrote our Constitution were far more educated than we are today. They studied every form of government mankind had ever produced and attempted to design a government that would not end in tyranny over the people. They valued individual Rights and sought to protect them. The result is our Constitutional Republic, an experiment that had never been done before.

As Benjamin Franklin said when asked "Doctor Franklin, what kind of government will we have?". His response, "A Republic if you can keep it.".

For those of us who study the Constitution and watch what is going on in our country there is great concern that Franklin's warning is coming to pass. I am hugely concerned the average American has little to no knowledge of our Independence, our Constitution, and our Bill of Rights. The things I read from people in forums seems indicative of that.

We are a nation of laws. The Supreme law of the land is the Constitution. It should not be taken lightly nor ignored as "it's old". We need to educate the masses once again so the wrongs of the past are not repeated. If we allow Mob Rule to overtake Minority Rights we will lose our Freedom and it will take another Revolution to get it back.

Originally Posted by frose (Post 2113653)

very political shut it down!!!!!

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2113658)

Just an observation:
Seems like whenever someone does not like guns, they wish to ban them for all.
Whenever someone does not believe in GOD, the wish to ban religion for all.
Whenever someone believes that laws cannot be enforced, they want to eliminate them.
If booze cannot be eliminated, then legalize it so that it can be taxed
If dope cannot be eliminated, then legalize it so that it can be taxed.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2113687)

Your observation is profoundly flawed.

I don't like guns. I'm also pro 2A. People should maintain the right to have firearms to form well-regulated militias.

I don't believe in what you consider to be "god." But if your deity makes you happy, go for it. Believe what you like.

I believe that if a law can't be enforced, it needs to a) change to make it enforceable or b) cease to be a law.

I believe if booze can't be eliminated, then make sure that people who abuse it are not causing harm to anyone else. Have laws regarding drinking and driving, for example.

I believe if cannabis can't be eliminated, then make sure that people who abuse it are not causing harm to anyone else. Keep smoking and vaping out of public buildings/restaurants or other enclosed public-accessible spaces, and impose the same "driving under the influence" laws that exist for any other substance that can affect someone's judgment, hand-eye coordination, reaction time.

I also believe that if abortions can't be stopped, then make sure they are legal and safe.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2113658)

Just an observation:
Seems like whenever someone does not like guns, they wish to ban them for all.
Whenever someone does not believe in GOD, the wish to ban religion for all.
Whenever someone believes that laws cannot be enforced, they want to eliminate them.
If booze cannot be eliminated, then legalize it so that it can be taxed
If dope cannot be eliminated, then legalize it so that it can be taxed.

Instead of protecting the children, use them as a device to ban guns. Instead of securing the schools, go out and take everyone else's right to own firearms.
Since someone is under 21 committing a crime, then make the legal age of ownership 21 or above. Disregard the fact that we have had millions of young men, aged 16-21 serve our country honorably.
We do not believe that young people should be trusted, yet we send them off to war so that the rest of us don't have to go. We send them off to war and then tell them that when they get back, they cannot have a beer with an "adult." Send them to war and train them to use firearms, and then tell them that they cannot purchase a firearm in order to hunt when they come back. They can't be trusted in society because they are too immature to be trusted with our citizen's safety.
Like I said before and will continue to say it, to protect the children we must defend them from evil. To protect them from evil, we must fortify their schools when we are not there to protect them. You cannot predict and punish a crime that has not occurred. There is no "Minority Report" where we can arrest someone before they commit an act of violence. Good people have mental problems too. The type of weapon does not matter when it comes to violence, period.
What is so hard about installing a ten foot fence around a public school and placing an armed guard of police officer there to check those the enter? What is really so bad or awful about allowing school employees that have CCW to carry a pocket pistol that is never seen and never removed from their pocket? How much would it cost to install cameras in the schools?
Or, is it just more convenient for certain folks to blame all violence on guns so that they can ban them because they don't like them and do not want anyone else to own them?

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2113695)

Why do you find it necessary to denigrate a person because they believe in God?

A guy made a statement that I found to be quite revealing on why people denounce religion. I'm paraphrasing what he said as I don't have the exact quote at hand. Religion sets absolutes such as you will not kill, steal, have a fling with another person's spouse, and so on. Too many people want no restraints on what they do with their life.

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2113636)

Well, somewhere there must be found a balance between your right tho keep and bear arms in order that you can well regulate the militia, and my right to be secure in my person, house, papers, and effects, and of course our mutual, if conflicted, expectations appurtenant to those Constitutional rights. At the present time, your second amendment rights trump my fourth amendment rights, so I’ll just have to duck and cover. Kevlar tee shirts, anyone?

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2113687)

Your observation is profoundly flawed.

I don't like guns. I'm also pro 2A. People should maintain the right to have firearms to form well-regulated militias.

I don't believe in what you consider to be "god." But if your deity makes you happy, go for it. Believe what you like.

I believe that if a law can't be enforced, it needs to a) change to make it enforceable or b) cease to be a law.

I believe if booze can't be eliminated, then make sure that people who abuse it are not causing harm to anyone else. Have laws regarding drinking and driving, for example.

I believe if cannabis can't be eliminated, then make sure that people who abuse it are not causing harm to anyone else. Keep smoking and vaping out of public buildings/restaurants or other enclosed public-accessible spaces, and impose the same "driving under the influence" laws that exist for any other substance that can affect someone's judgment, hand-eye coordination, reaction time.

I also believe that if abortions can't be stopped, then make sure they are legal and safe.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2113736)

A Second Amendment Right to Conceal and Carry? | Brennan Center for Justice

Can a good guy with a concealed pistol in a Illinois July 4th parade stop a deranged killer on a roof with a long range rifle usually meant for battlefield use? Highland Park parade shooting - Wikipedia

Smith & Wesson M&P15 - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2113736)

A Second Amendment Right to Conceal and Carry? | Brennan Center for Justice

Can a good guy with a concealed pistol in a Illinois July 4th parade stop a deranged killer on a roof with a long range rifle usually meant for battlefield use? Highland Park parade shooting - Wikipedia

Smith & Wesson M&P15 - Wikipedia