Originally Posted by Sarah_W (Post 2113744)

The answer to your question is yes, a good guy with a handgun can stop a killer with an AR. From what I can tell the buildings on that parade route were 3 and 4 story buildings, meaning less than 50 feet tall. Myself and anyone else with proper training could take that shot.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2113750)

Once in a while a hero is in the right spot to stop one of these wanna-be mass murderers.

Amid deadly U.S. mass shootings in 2019, heroes emerged | Reuters

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2113719)

Why do some people feel threaten because someone disagrees with them?

Why do you feel threatened when someone disagrees with you?


I saw nothing denigrating in the post you were replying too.

Originally Posted by Woodbear (Post 2113830)

If we want new laws I would add these two.

1. Upon conviction...... use of a gun during a crime brings a lifetime jail sentence with no ability to plea bargain.
2. Upon conviction..... use of a gun that causes a death results in immediate execution of the perp.

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2112803)

I guess it depends on peoples positions.

I believe it is pretty much impossible to even consider removing all guns from the US. DUH. 300 million guns can not be collected and disposed of in any reasonable amount of time, no matter how much I would like that. So, a more pragmatic approach to me, is to come to some kind of bi-partisan gun control legislation.

1. Universal background checks with access to mental health history for all purchases private or commercial. Anyone selling a gun with out receiving a background check is charged as accessory if the gun is used in a crime.

2. Cool down period - 48 to 72 hours? Maybe a week?

3. Domestic violence checks.

4. Some form of definition of what kind of guns can be owned. We obviously need to restrict access to cruise missiles, and BB guns are probably not going to make people happy. Some where in the middle we shovel be able to meet.

5. Conviction of a crime where a gun is used results in automatic lifetime ban from owning or possessing.

6. NATIONAL/universal gun control laws. If we have open carry, fine, EVERYONE has open carry.

There are a few ideas. I have more, but those would be a good start. I have mentioned them before also. Most people don't give e reasons, they just make snarky statements - drive by one liners.

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2113034)

You are conflating all murders with mass shootings. Yes, violence will happen, but I feel safe saying zero out of the 300 mass shootings this year have been committed by Bludgeons.

The weapon of choice is AR-15. PERIOD. That is not debatable.

That said, I will agree with you that melting down every AR-15 in the country/world would not stop mass shootings, they would simply switch to another weapon.

I disagree with your comment that people don't want to look at morals and social media et al. I have read numerous reports on those issues. And for the most part they show that those "symptoms" that you list are represent in almost every country in the world. And the other countries do not have 300 mass shootings this year. So, the implication is they are NOT the cause.

I personally think the cause is a feeling of hopelessness by most poor and middle class Americans. I don't think I recall a rich person EVER committing a mass shooting in this country. They are typically by people with mental health issues (one could argue that to shoot 6 strangers for not apparent reason is a form of mental illness), or people that want to strike back at others that have bullied them, or men that feel they lives out of control and a significant number are coming from an abusive relationship where they abused their wives who finally left them and got restraining orders - again, a form of feeling like their life is out of control.

So, my question is why is it that so many feel so hopeless in the richest country in the world?

My answer is predatory capitalism, BIG corporations (not small ones) that control our lives, our government and our economy and leave broken people in their wake. That is what I think it is root cause.

Originally Posted by Speedie (Post 2113858)

Communist China has the solutions you are looking for. Too bad you can not go there without a permit. They have borders.

Originally Posted by Speedie (Post 2113857)

#3. #4. #5. Are ALREADY law. Maybe the adminstration needs to focus on enforcing existing gun laws. Especially #5. How many arrest reports mention a felon in possession of a firearm??

Originally Posted by Sarah_W (Post 2113907)

The behaviors of mankind can be defined by cause and effect and measured by risk versus reward. We can determine why someone kills another.

Our society currently displays a tremendous reaction to mass shootings, especially when children are killed and injured. Yet, every weekend a dozen are killed in Chicago and it's not news worthy. I never see a thread lamenting the murders that occur in the inner cities.

Risk versus reward

Who knows what goes on in the mind of these mass killers? It seems the notoriety is the goal. Famous and infamous seems to be one and the same in their mind. They are famous for life. I believe if we take away the fame we take away their reward.

How to significantly reduce mass killings?

1. Stop putting their name on television, newspapers, social media, etc. We can cover the news and stop identifying the killer and giving them the fame they seek. End the publicity.

2. If the killer is found guilty in a court of law they receive the death sentence. Shockingly the average cost of executing a prisoner today is $1.25 million. Bring back the firing squad. Brutal killers should face a brutal ending.

Originally Posted by Sarah_W (Post 2113907)

Our society currently displays a tremendous reaction to mass shootings, especially when children are killed and injured. Yet, every weekend a dozen are killed in Chicago and it's not news worthy. I never see a thread lamenting the murders that occur in the inner cities.