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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2113191)

A smart firearms company should be able to sit down at their drawing board with hunters and come up with the best gun ever made that will not destroy their target. They should also be able to come up with the best home weapon for home self-defense. Remember it's self-defense, not let me kill someone. There's money to be made if these companies have the right mind set.

That is physically impossible...

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Originally Posted by charlie1 (Post 2112767)

So, you only hunted at close range?

And tell me, when was the last time an "automatic gun" was used in a crime in the US?

At one point in N.Y.C. stop and frisk was in effect. Thought it was discriminatory and unconstitutional it did illustrate one thing the less firearms on the street the less crime. The decision of the supreme court allowing open carry might be constitutional, but it will a disaster. These justices live in a different world than the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2113097)

No but if the majority of people who killed a few dozen people were driving exclusively red Chevy Trailblazers, the insurance companies would probably raise their rates on red Chevy Trailblazers, and the police would be more watchful for people driving red Chevy Trailblazers, and the manufacturer would probably be getting pressure from various organizations (including, possibly, the government) to make it more difficult to kill a few dozen people by a single driver.

Instead - some people will suggest we just give more red Chevy Trailblazers to more people, because that'll solve the problem.

Again - that's just SO logical.

/sarcasm

Gee... The most popular car is the one in the highest # of accidents... Whoda' thunk that would happen?

White panel vans are everywhere and have been used in multiple mass killings... I haven't seen the cry to ban them, nor exorbitant insurance rates on them...

And who is suggesting we "give" anyone more guns? Well, except for Ukraine... They seem to need them...

This is obviously a mental health issue and has never been a gun issue.

Don’t be duped into giving away your Freedom

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Originally Posted by charlie1 (Post 2112767)

I used to be a hunter and really would not want anyone to stop me from having my hunting guns. I could even see the potential reason for personal handguns for self defense. BUT I do feel that there needs to be much more control on automatic guns and long range rifles. Why can't our politician see that there are different guns for different purposes and band, or at least strongly control, any weapon that could be used for mass murders! Gun violence has gotten OUT OF CONTROL!

This is their plan- ramp up violence to scare people into begging the government to take away their freedom, take away their guns.
The Evil aspects (Dems and RINO’s) in our Government are doing everything they can to destabilize marriage and families (welfare laws=fatherless, dependent on government handouts=plantation life; radical LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ indoctrination), de-humanize human life (pushing the agenda abortion is not only “good” for the woman to advance her career or ensure her freedom, but actually better for the baby to prevent them from being born into a life of poverty) and “to save the planet we need to kill humans”; devalue and poo poo the ideals of believing in God and religion, self reliance, resilience, hard work and sacrificing “now” to make it better in the future generations. All these an more have been the incubator for mass murderers and other evil acts.
You are being conditioned to believe that giving away your freedom in exchange for the false sense of security and safety is a good trade.
You gotta ask yourself- if guns are the problem, why no mass shootings at a gun store or shooting range??? Because these evil people look for soft targets- schools, shopping malls, hospitals and medical facilities, large public events.

Mass shooters and shootings have dramatically increased since “sounds good, virtue signaling title” policies have been enacted and “progressive” agenda:

- “gun free zone” laws (as evil would follow such an idiotic law),

- shooters almost exclusively Democrats- I am not kidding- and/or had contact with Leftist organizations.

-defund the police, disregard and disrespect for law and order,

- glamorize the destruction of “God fearing, good old fashioned” values, family and marriage.

Evil and evil acts will always exist in a free society. Utopia isn’t possible and every attempt to create Utopia is makes life a tyrannical hell.

Freedom, by definition is dangerous, risky, uncertain but life without Freedom is a life not worth living.

Guns aren’t the problem- mass murderers can use a car, a bomb, a plane, a vaccine.

Historically, any government that confiscated guns from their citizens “for their safety” quickly preceded to slaughter hundreds of millions of their citizens they labeled “a danger to society”- them - Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin.

And the argument “oh, but that wouldn’t happen here in the United States” won’t work either- cuz it already did- the largest mass murder in America happen in Dec 29, 1890 and done by THE GOVERNMENT. Federal agents and the 7th cavalry went to Wounded Knee creek to confiscate the guns of the Sioux Indians. Once the majority of Sioux had surrendered their guns, the cavalry opened fire, killing all of the 297 Indians- 200 of the 297 were unarmed women and children.

“Any society that willingly gives away a little freedom to gain a little security, deserves neither and loses both” - Ben Franklin.

STAY FREE

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2113111)

OF COURSE. people have a point of view and then will try to justify it by any means necessary.
We are not even aware of what we are being fed. The very popular movie Shidler's List by Spielberg was a great hit. Shidler was cast a a rich playboy hoodwinked by his Jewish accountant. Spielberg is anti right to bear arms.
Spielberg did a great job of spinning the TRUTH to fit his antigun BIAS. The TRUTH the REALITY. Hitler was able to do his horrors because the Jews were unarmed. Not just did they not have guns they did not know how to use them.

Why would the Jews that survived because of Shidler revere him if the move was true in suggesting that he took advantage of essentially free labor? The historical truth is that Shidler, risked his own life to train his labors to use guns.

People, want to DICTATE to others what they can do. I find it interesting. Abortion, the right to CHOOSE. Those on the left support it. Those on the right want to DICTATE to others what they can do. Right to bear arms, supported by those on the right some on the left want to DICTATE to others what they can do.

Laws need to be enforced. Endless posts about people and golf cart speed limits. Posters-the LAW does not apply to me. Mass shootings. It is illegal to take a gun onto school grounds. So obvious it is stupid. It is illegal to shoot innocent students and teachers.

Check out the film "Defiance", starring Daniel Craig...

It's about a group of Jews, who after acquiring just one gun, were able to amass an arsenal and a form a rag tag army that survived in the Black Forest for several years, during WWII...

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Originally Posted by charlie1 (Post 2112767)

How about our no longer "mainstream" media is out of control; mis-informs, lies, they are proganda mongers, they glorify killers and instigate more. How about our justice system has gone rogue, investigates political factors based on politician requests not real life. Our court system has gone amuck, infiltrated by purchased players with letting criminals walk to destabalize the nation. Criminals know they won't be held anymore. How about the lack of "the right hand knowing what the left hand is doing" on mental health issues... the list goes on and on.
All it takes is one concealed weapon holder with a defense weapon to stop a rampage rogue killer. Disarming law abiding citizens is not the answer. Bring back REAL courts and REAL punishment and you will see change.

People fleeing rogue states to find safety in states of stability that happen to allow concealed weapon permitting speaks volume.

Here's a better idea----instead of banning guns, ban "hoodies". Can anyone name anything good that ever came out of a hoodie, especially at night when it isn't raining?????

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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 2113197)

An AR-15 shouldn’t be available to 18 year olds period. That should be an easy fix in our laws.

The reason this is now being pushed is the claim that an 18 yo's brain isn't fully developed. They use the same reasoning to raise the drinking age to 21... Logical, right?

So why do we let them vote at 18? (and there are some who want to lower the voting age to 16!). I can't think of a reason why they would want that, can you? [/sarcasm]

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2113221)

I don't believe the SCOTUS decision was about "open carry"... Just carry...

The vast majority who carry do so concealed...

A VW bug and a formula 1 are both cars, but both were designed for a different purpose. You will not see a VW bug at La Mann or a formula 1 are on city streets.
Yes, you can use assault firearms for hunting and for personal self-defense, but that is not what they were designed for. I’m not suggesting that assault weapons should be banned, but restrictions on who can own these weapons and where they could be carried might not be a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2113213)

We need a refresher on the Second Amendment. It’s main purpose, IIRC, was to keep the government in check. From this perspective, it is not a mystery why the left wants to get rid of guns. That’s the last thing we need.

Exactly!

Every last right in the Bill of Rights was enacted to protect the American people from the GOVERNMENT. It would be totally illogical to believe that the right to keep and bear arms (i.e. the Second Amendment) is not there for the same purpose.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2113235)

Here's a better idea----instead of banning guns, ban "hoodies". Can anyone name anything good that ever came out of a hoodie, especially at night when it isn't raining?????

20 something aged girls are terrified of that thought...

(They are known for stealing their boyfriend's and their father's hoodies...) :1rotfl:

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2113221)

At one point in N.Y.C. stop and frisk was in effect. Thought it was discriminatory and unconstitutional it did illustrate one thing the less firearms on the street the less crime. The decision of the supreme court allowing open carry might be constitutional, but it will a disaster. These justices live in a different world than the rest of us.

Half right---it demonstrated that less guns in the hands of CRIMINALS = less crime. The police stopped and frisked individuals who "looked" like criminals, leading to less crime, but also "unconstitutional" since it was interpreted as "profiling".
It simply reminds me of an interview on 60 minutes with the head of Israeli airport security, since Entebbe no El Al plane has ever been hijacked. Mike Wallace asked how they do this---and the answer was simple---"we don't look for guns or bombs, we profile the individual"---100% effective for them, here, "unconstitutional"