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collegeref 07-06-2022 12:05 PM
Boston was not guns was it ?

How about Oklahoma They wish it was guns we would have survivors.

If only somebody had a gun
on the 911 flight that crashed in PA

This latest nut got green flagged in a Red Flag Law state.

JMintzer 07-06-2022 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2113319)
Actually that would be Honduras, which has a gun-related homicide incidence per 100,000 of 60 per year. The U.S. has a little more than one-fifth of that, or 12.1 gun-related homicides per 100,000 per year.
Bill Whittle does a very in depth look at this fact...

Warning... Sarcasm ahead... https://youtu.be/pELwCqz2JfE

JMintzer 07-06-2022 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Burgy (Post 2113320)
Then we should add SEMI to the list, they certainly seem overly fast and powerful.
Yes, my "semi" auto .22 is MUCH more powerful than any .22 bolt action or revolver... [/sarcasm]

And faster? How's 8 rounds in 1 second? 12 shots in under 3 seconds? With a REVOLVER...

https://youtu.be/WzHG-ibZaKM

JMintzer 07-06-2022 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2113351)
What I said was these firearms were not designed for the hunting and personal self-defense. What they are used for or advertised to be used for is another matter. These firearms are considered assault weapons. Look up the meaning of the word assault and it might give you a different perspective.
We've seen people who have no intent of firing their firearm show up to state capitals just to intimidate law makers. Is that the way this country is supposed to work?
Using your definition, ANY gun can be considered an assault weapon...

Using the US Government's definition, the AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon.

JMintzer 07-06-2022 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarah_W (Post 2113352)
1999 Columbine High School. 14 dead, 27 injured in a 4 hour rampage. The shooters plotted for a year with the goal of killing 500.

In my opinion the turning point is Columbine. This seems to be the starting point for copy cat killers trying to make a name for themselves. Since Columbine there has been 14 mass school shootings, up to Robb Elementary, taking 169 lives and injuring many more.
Weapons used in Columbine shooting? A 9mm semi-auto handgun, two sawed off shotguns (one, a double barrel, the other a pump action), and finally, a 9mm carbine rifle...

JMintzer 07-06-2022 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2113364)
I personally don't think much of the argument that we have a right to protect ourselves from the government. Bullocks. That is a relatively new interpretation of the 2nd and was created to rile up the base.
Shirley you jest... That was a major point of the amendment, considering the fledgling country had just finished a bloody, multi-year war against a tyrannical government!

JMintzer 07-06-2022 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2113372)
Excellent video. Training counts.

It is a pointless argument in any case. A Jerry Miculek with a revolver is obviously going to outshoot some deranged kid with an AR-15. But if you want to do maximum damage a shotgun is by far the best weapon. A 12-gauge shotgun with a magazine extension can hold up to eight shells. An average 3" round can hold 11 single-0 pellets. 8 X 11 means that you can throw 88 30-caliber balls of lead or copper downrange in probably 4 seconds or less.

Trouble is, a 12-gauge shotgun doesn't LOOK anywhere near as intimidating as an AR-15.

Well, I suppose it could become that, if media decides to sensationalize 12-gauge shotguns the way they have AR-15s.
SHHHH! Don't give them any ideas!

JMintzer 07-06-2022 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gbs317 (Post 2113384)
I do agree that large capacity magazines are not necessary, if you need 30 rounds of ammo to hit a target give it up, or better yet, practice with either three 10 round magazines or six 5 round magazines to learn how to safely handle that firearm.
What happens when you have multiple targets, returning fire? Do you still want to limit your own capacity?

ThirdOfFive 07-06-2022 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2113423)
Shirley you jest... That was a major point of the amendment, considering the fledgling country had just finished a bloody, multi-year war against a tyrannical government!
""When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." (John Basil Barnhill)

rsimpson 07-06-2022 01:10 PM
Incorrect reference to guns
 
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Originally Posted by charlie1 (Post 2112767)
I used to be a hunter and really would not want anyone to stop me from having my hunting guns. I could even see the potential reason for personal handguns for self defense. BUT I do feel that there needs to be much more control on automatic guns and long range rifles. Why can't our politician see that there are different guns for different purposes and band, or at least strongly control, any weapon that could be used for mass murders! Gun violence has gotten OUT OF CONTROL!
Your reasonable argument/comment is damaged by your use of the phrase 'automatic guns and long range rifles.' Automatic weapons are already fully restricted with an expensive and lenghty ownership path. And there is no common definition for 'long range rifle' (What is that??) None of these mass shooters since Sandy Hook and before have used either of these weapon types you mention. We need to have an open conversation about these violoent acts by deranged and evil people, but we have to start with facts.

rsimpson 07-06-2022 01:26 PM
Swallwell and Many Others
 
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2112905)
This always comes up?

WHO is taken guns from law bidding citizens? I would love it, but even I know that is a none starter. But, people constantly bring it up, fear is a real motivator.
Many politicians and left-wing activists have openly stated they are "coming for your guns". Eric Swallwell, Beto O'Rourke, Diane Feinstein, for starters. I am sure the list goes on.

rsimpson 07-06-2022 01:33 PM
Hunting Rifles are Semi-Auto
 
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Originally Posted by Burgy (Post 2113320)
Then we should add SEMI to the list, they certainly seem overly fast and powerful.
Most Hunting Rifles are semi-automatic, and nobody is ever gonna collect all of those from legal gun owners in the U.S.

rsimpson 07-06-2022 01:36 PM
Father signed off on this latest shooter
 
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Originally Posted by collegeref (Post 2113398)
Boston was not guns was it ?
How about Oklahoma They wish it was guns we would have survivors.
If only somebody had a gun
on the 911 flight that crashed in PA
This latest nut got green flagged in a Red Flag Law state.
Father of Highland Park shooter should go to prison for skirting the red flag laws for his mentally ill son.

Sarah_W 07-06-2022 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2113425)
What happens when you have multiple targets, returning fire? Do you still want to limit your own capacity?
Exactly. According to FBI crime statistics the average home invasion is 3 to 5 armed intruders. If a person is defending their home how many rounds does it take?

I can say, as a professional firearms instructor, if a person is defending their life the adrenaline spike is going to be off the charts, their hands will be shaking uncontrollably, and there will be plenty of missed shots.

Personally, I do not want a limit on the number of rounds, the capacity, of my personal defense choice. Chances are high that in a home invasion you will likely have to do a magazine change.

I'm very confident that nobody ever lamented about having too much ammunition after the gunfight was over.

Sarah_W 07-06-2022 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2113437)
So you couldn't figure out they meant semi-automatic. The weapon of choice for school shootings is AR-15 which is a semi-automatic.

I bet the poster meant "Long Gun", which has a common definition.

The poster did start with fact, you just chose to be obtuse and argue over wording that I expect you completely understood, but ignored. If you didn't understand, after reading hundreds of mass shooting posts, well, that is sad on you.

You could have corrected their terms gently "I assume you mean semi-automatic " instead you chose to add nothing to the conversation you claim to want to have. So, while we nit pick each other's posts, children are dying.
Not true. The weapon of choice for school shootings is a handgun.


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