No, we DONT have to use common sense. Children can not get into public schools without being vaccinated because it puts other people at risk. Putting other people are risk is a reasonable thing to make illegal. Like drunk driving, speeding, etc. Active choices that endanger other people.

This has nothing to do with limiting YOUR rights, it has to do with people making choices that put other peoples live at risk

Florida kids have had the option of attending their physical schools or distance learning since August. Most of the kids in my county returned to their physical schools well before a Covid vaccine was available. So, yes, while there are certain childhood vaccinations that are required to attend school, a flu vaccine and a Covid vaccine are not among them.

No common sense would be along the lines of putting Covid patients into nursing homes with vulnerable elderly people. Everyone knows better than that, right?

Florida kids did just fine attending their physical schools. It made good common sense for them to go back exactly when they did.

The vaccines currently required for school children are to prevent diseases that are dangerous to children. Covid is not...
In fact Covid is not dangerous to most Americans who are not overweight/obese and have multiple other existing health issues - according to the CDC...

Covid vaccine is mandatory for nearly every university and rapidly becoming mandatory for every school district. Mandatory vaccinations are upheld by the U S Supreme Court.

My Granddaughter has been in school all year. All of the older members of my family have been vaccinated. Life should get back to normal. If you are not vaccinated by now be careful, but let the rest of the world be set free from govern control.

agreed, that's exactly the right way to put it!

Quoting myself here. The Today Show people are back to sitting close together at their desk on set. They are fully vaccinated and are now following the CDC guidelines for fully vaccinated people. I'm very happy to see this.

Now for Kelly and Ryan. Can't wait to see if they will be sitting close together on set.

My only response to these scenarios you mentioned are that people are CLUELESS. They have no idea why they are even wearing a mask. OR.....they feel their mask is solely protecting them. Again.......hopelessly CLUELESS!

Hate to say it but, this is laughable.

Yeah, especially considering we had someone on here talking about how they were going to falsify a document to show they were vaccinated when in fact they were not.

There should be fines and consequences for anyone that does this. Lifetime bans from airlines and cruiselines, stores, etc. Plus remuneration to people and companies affected by their dishonesty.

Who might that be, other unvaccinated people?

Better idea: Forget documentation, protect yourself and stay out of other people's medical decisions.

Thank God! Now I can get back to living

Yeah.....that's why we need to get tatoo'd or chipped :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

I prefer the chip idea. That way, not only will the government (and every teenage hacker) know your vaccination status, but also your location at all times, where you shop, what movies you go to, what church/temple/mosque you attend, if you go to a gun range, what speed you drive at, and your heart rate during sex-----all the stuff that was encouraged by the 4th amendment :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

lol

Their medical decisions can adversely affect many people.

Think of quarantines cause by a breakout at a resort, on a cruiseship, a community, even an flight.

All because somebody selfishly put themselves ahead of others.

Seems to me that a lot of folks are presuming that anyone that is not vaccinated is infected and contagious. How do you all get the idea that anyone not vaccinated is putting you in danger? I have my shots but I went a year and a half living pretty much normally without being vaccinated. Of course, I am sure that some of you will automatically accuse me of being asymptomatic, right? So much mass hysteria. How this country survived this long is a miracle. Obviously, our parents were stronger than the present generations. Some folks need the gov to mandate seat belts on your office chairs.

Breakouts among what group? Vaccinated people are already protected. Get a vaccination and you won't be part of any breakout. You can't prevent those in charge from overreacting (we've seen many examples in the last year) but quarantining vaccinated people to protect against a breakout that is statistically impossible seems foolish.

In no way would I condone falsifying documents. In my perfect world there would be no documents to falsify. That said, I would rather take the risk that someone might "selfishly put themselves ahead of others" than give up my right to privacy.

I agree - I was not inferring a breakout amongst vaccinated people - that is a statistical impossibility. I meant a breakout amongst the foolish, which in turn affects everyone in the larger group.

That is why said forced quarantine due to a breakout. I am not worried - I had Covid before we knew what it was - Dec/Jan 2020 and had antibodies confirmed in April and vaccinated early this year.... But I don't want to be stuck somewhere because some selfish people decided to falsify documents and not wear masks.

Stonger people back then
 

maybe you weren’t around during polio before the shots when people listened to every rumor about ways to get it and pools, movie theaters and other public places were sometimes closed , or the early days of AIDS when gay people were attacked , many disowned by families and again rumors of all different things you could catch it from and on a lighter note but just as ridiculous the fights about fluoride being put in the water and the experts telling us how bad it was . If the internet had been around then I thing we wouldn’t have enough dentists to fix the amount of cavities people would have and I’m sure we wouldn’t have been able to get rid of polio because so many would claim I have a constitution right to be a fool

Umm, the only people catching the virus would be the like minded unvaccinated passengers so why are you worried about this?

Because health authorities won't care - they'll throw you into quarantine as well.

There are more concerns than un-vaccinated people catching the virus. Those who are not vaccinated will continue to perpetuate the pandemic by allowing the virus to continue to mutate and create new variants. The current vaccines which have been used to inoculate millions of people globally, may be rendered useless. Booster shots may be in every vaccinated person's future because of people who will not be vaccinated for what ever reason they have.

Ok, case in point - You're on a cruise / you're in a resort for a weeklong vacation.

There are 5000 people with you - this is a 100% vaccinated activity.

All safe, no masks, no social distancing.

A large number of unvaccinated people have false documentation and there is an outbreak.

Everyone goes into lockdown. Your vacation is ruined and they force-quarantine you for 21 days.

That's why we worry about the unvaccinated. Because their selfishness just ruined everything.

I get what you are saying but I wouldn't travel to a destination that required Covid vaccinations and instituted lock downs. That is not my idea of a vacation.

I'll go to the places that aren't crazy. If you look at how many unvaccinated people have been going to work and to school over the past year you would realize that mass Covid quarantines are stupid and completely unnecessary.

That's your decision - not a problem.

I will always err on the side of caution and choose 100% vaccinated areas for my vacation - for the forseeable future.

You will have limited options, but to each their own.

Again, I'm not going to go to a place that is subject to mass Covid quarantines. Your vacation could be wrecked at any moment and you might be stuck in a place for weeks past your expected departure date. No thank you.

I'd rather risk catching Covid, thank you very much.

Have you been on the cruise forums? This scenario is rampant with extremely negative comments towards un-vaccinated people. The cruising public does not want un-vaccinated people on a cruise ship with them, myself included. I'm not fearful for my safety and health as I'm protected by the mRNA vaccine. I do not want to have to deal with the consequences if there is a Covid outbreak on board with un-vaccinated people. Any Covid outbreak on board could be the ruination of the cruise industry.

Nine members of the NY Yankees organization who had previously received the vaccine are now in quarantine for testing positive...

India never had the epidemic until now. They are going thru what the US went through this past winter and last spring.

Have any of them been hospitalized? I rest my case.

Is that really the point?

You just agreed with a post about only traveling with vaccinated people to avoid inconveniencing yourself on a trip. Yet here is a fully vaccinated group where 9 people tested positive and had to be quarantined...
I rest MY case...

If this happened on a cruise ship, would it matter? The point is they tested positive even after being vaccinated.

One thing about the Covid 19 test is that 1) false positives are a well known and documented issue 2) Coronaviruses in general, not just Covid 19 can get you a positive test.

So you could have an outbreak of a cold virus on the ship and, whether it was Covid-19 or not, you could still potentially wind up quarantined in your cabin for weeks on end.

Maybe that is risk worth taking to you. As for me, I refuse to cruise on any ship or go to any place that mandates the vaccine.

IMHO, yes, that is the point. Just this morning there was discussion of the nine Yankees who have had breakthrough infections after all being fully vaccinated with J&J vaccine. It is being reported that the vaccine is doing its job. None of the effected Yankees have become ill, let alone needing hospitalization. Yes, that most certainly is the point.

My point is that hospitalization will not be necessary. That is a big deal when on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean.

The "point" is nine people on the same team got the "virus".....after being vaccinated. What are the chances of that? It could be the norm that "nobody" is or wants to talk about.

The risk of having a Covid outbreak is less if everyone one board is vaccinated. That is how I see it and yes, I will take that risk. I most certainly will not cruise with known un-vaccinated people. The risk of Covid outbreak is much higher among un-vaccinated and the risk of needing to hospitalize people is greater.

Sorry to say but the J&J vaccine does not have near the efficacy in trials or the extremely high real life efficiency of mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines are protective against the variants so far. I don't know how the J&J vaccine is fairing with variants.

Not really true. Comparisons of efficacy between the 3 vaccines is not really valid, particularly when comparing the J&J with either Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna. The definition of a "positive" case is different for the 3 Phase 3 trials. Also, the J&J Phase 3 trial occurred much later than Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase 3 trials. In addition, the J&J Phase 3 trial included a much different population, some of which possibly may have been exposed to variants that were not present during the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna trials.

As I already explained to you, the efficacy is essentially the reduction in the probability that you will develop COVID if exposed to the virus when compared to the unvaccinated. For all 3 vaccines with Emergency Use Authorization, the reduction in the probability is large. More important, the probability of developing a severe case of COVID that requires hospitalization and possibly causing death is near zero for all three vaccines. Breakthrough statistics are still in flux but the numbers are incredibly low.