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PugMom 09-08-2021 09:03 AM

am i the only one freaked-out over the chimera research??:shocked: what are we becoming?

John41 09-08-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2000374)
So many lies being told. We can't believe posters here but the sad part we can't believe our leaders.

You stated a form of the logical paradox, “Everything I say is a lie.”

Malsua 09-08-2021 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2000512)
Then your evidence that the virus was created in China is the presence of the cleavage site.

The cleavage site could ONLY be put there in a laboratory AND that particular cleavage site could ONLY be put there in a laboratory in China. Otherwise, if it could have occurred in nature then the cleavage site isn't evidence that it was man-made and if a laboratory elsewhere in the world has the technology to insert it then it isn't evidence that it was created in China.

Do I really need to take the time to copy the links to show that this isn't the slam dunk proof you seem to imply?

Could it have been man-made? Absolutely. Could it have been made in China? Absolutely. Is the presence of the cleavage site indisputable evidence that the SARS-Cov-2 virus was made in a lab in Wuhan China? Absolutely not.

Is it indisputable evidence? No. Is it evidence beyond a reasonable doubt? Yes.

The polybasic furin cleavage site PRRA in bat corona viruses does not exist in nature in 2019. Got that?

All the sudden it emerges in humans in 2019. In fact, it emerges in 3 workers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

WIV does gain of function research with bat corona viruses. WIV does GOF research using a poly basic furin cleavage site PRRA.

When you hear hoof beats, you think horses not zebras.

Could someone, somewhere else have done the insert, carried it to Wuhan, found 3 laboratory workers, infected them and set the whole thing off? Sure, I guess. Could monkeys exit your posterior and take flight? Sure, it's about as likely.

John41 09-08-2021 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2000511)
In order to believe what you just said, people have to put aside their insistence that the conspiracies without merit MUST be true. They have to forgo the notion that "fiction based on things I, an ordinary layman, can't possibly understand," has to be fact that sounds impressive so I'll believe it. They must set aside their suspension of disbelief of junk-science, and instead, believe things that a) make sense, b) aren't accusing anyone of anything nefarious, c) don't fit some kind of political agenda to criminalize something just because you're favorite political person was stupid enough to believe it and announce to the world that they thought it was true.

If lightning strikes your house, you can blame China's dictator for directing a laser beam on the USA and aiming it for your house specifically because you know the truth about an assassin because you saw it on a youtube video.

Or, you can blame it on the weather.

Some people (especially here on ToTV) will choose the more convoluted fabrication because it sounds more interesting, and they'd rather believe life is more interesting than random cloud clusters.

Speaking of convoluted fabrication reread your convoluted post.

jswirs 09-08-2021 09:27 AM

Scared?
 
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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2000538)
Thank you, thank you....
Dear God, its scary reading some of these people 's thoughts

Not trying to be inconsiderate here, but if reading other folks thoughts scares you, maybe you should not be reading them. And, we all could be saying, "Thank you, thank you," depending on what side you are on. I've come to the point of disbelieving most of what I hear or read regarding Covid. Relying on my own logic and common sense has brought me this far, I don't intend to change now.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-08-2021 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 2000544)
Not trying to be inconsiderate here, but if reading other folks thoughts scares you, maybe you should not be reading them. And, we all could be saying, "Thank you, thank you," depending on what side you are on. I've come to the point of disbelieving most of what I hear or read regarding Covid. Relying on my own logic and common sense has brought me this far, I don't intend to change now.

My own logic and common sense has guided me to relying on people who know more than I do about a thing, rather than relying on my own logic and common sense.

Sort of like when someone is dying of COVID-19 in the hospital and they pray to god and ask why they're on their deathbed when they believed and prayed every day and were devout and followed everything their religion told them to do.

And god says "I sent you scientists. You rejected them. I sent you a vaccine. You rejected it. That's why you're dying."

Taltarzac725 09-08-2021 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2000511)
In order to believe what you just said, people have to put aside their insistence that the conspiracies without merit MUST be true. They have to forgo the notion that "fiction based on things I, an ordinary layman, can't possibly understand," has to be fact that sounds impressive so I'll believe it. They must set aside their suspension of disbelief of junk-science, and instead, believe things that a) make sense, b) aren't accusing anyone of anything nefarious, c) don't fit some kind of political agenda to criminalize something just because you're favorite political person was stupid enough to believe it and announce to the world that they thought it was true.

If lightning strikes your house, you can blame China's dictator for directing a laser beam on the USA and aiming it for your house specifically because you know the truth about an assassin because you saw it on a youtube video.

Or, you can blame it on the weather.

Some people (especially here on ToTV) will choose the more convoluted fabrication because it sounds more interesting, and they'd rather believe life is more interesting than random cloud clusters.

Nicely stated.

Woodbear 09-08-2021 09:39 AM

A key indicator of the virus origination is that China has never produced who is Patient Zero. In history, we knew rather quickly who was patient zero when it came to SARS, HIV/Aids, Spanish Flu, MERS, Typhoid, Swine Flu and Ebola. You only hide something to avoid being caught. China is 100% responsible for the development and sadly the distribution of the COVID virus. If China could have proved their innocence they would have.

Taltarzac725 09-08-2021 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2000548)
My own logic and common sense has guided me to relying on people who know more than I do about a thing, rather than relying on my own logic and common sense.

Sort of like when someone is dying of COVID-19 in the hospital and they pray to god and ask why they're on their deathbed when they believed and prayed every day and were devout and followed everything their religion told them to do.

And god says "I sent you scientists. You rejected them. I sent you a vaccine. You rejected it. That's why you're dying."

Again. Good to see some common sense.

Taltarzac725 09-08-2021 09:45 AM

Who is '''patient zero''' in the coronavirus outbreak? - BBC Future

Various organizations have looked for the COVID-19 "patient zero".


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Originally Posted by Woodbear (Post 2000551)
A key indicator of the virus origination is that China has never produced who is Patient Zero. In history, we knew rather quickly who was patient zero when it came to SARS, HIV/Aids, Spanish Flu, MERS, Typhoid, Swine Flu and Ebola. You only hide something to avoid being caught. China is 100% responsible for the development and sadly the distribution of the COVID virus. If China could have proved their innocence they would have.


Bucco 09-08-2021 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2000541)
Talk about jerks that should be jailed. I don't wish evil on anyone, but that jerk(T), I sure do....
I feel bad for his brainwashed followers. He ruined our country

Been reading lots of international media lately and they seem to have begun to catch up with what our country is doing.

Experts have been concerned about this for many years and scientists have been warning and urging governments to take action to prevent exactly what exists.

Geo Bush admin took it seriously and took action, setting up a task force of scientists to advise and guide being prepared. This task force existed through the next administration and then was dismissed out of hand by the last administration. That action made our country one of the most ill prepared countries in the world to deal with this kind of thing.

When COVID made its appearance our administration played it down and even trivialized the real dangers. The United States then pulled the US out of WHO and halted any contribution to the effort. That administration then began to mock anyone taking it seriously, insulting scientists and offering “back room” fixes to people which killed more. The administration refused to accept or even display the actions recommended by experts, thus the United States lost any chance of being a leader in this worldwide fight.

Then the United States government ruined this thing into strictly a political issue. While WHO was investigating, the United States began an intensive role in, as always, placing blame with accusations about China. As the United States simply layed blame with no cause….the President calling it the “China Virus”.

Now it is politics and more politics…….people booing suggestions to wear masks or get vaccinated, none based on professional advice, but more political folks.

Being an elected official does not grant special scientific knowledge at all, and we are continuing the already begun fight among and against our own country.

We can’t even allow someone to get medical assistance in many areas because of lack of rooms or beds. Schools in some areas lack teachers, bus drivers, etc. It is mass confusion in general, and while we appear to have the attitude of “kids are ok…they will just get sick” and all I recall is the past administration saying this was a hoax, then it will just go away and many other excuses and then suddenly so many people have died.

Let’s hope this talk from the same folks who proclaimed a hoax and not a problem are, for the first time, correct.

jswirs 09-08-2021 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2000548)
My own logic and common sense has guided me to relying on people who know more than I do about a thing, rather than relying on my own logic and common sense.

Sort of like when someone is dying of COVID-19 in the hospital and they pray to god and ask why they're on their deathbed when they believed and prayed every day and were devout and followed everything their religion told them to do.

And god says "I sent you scientists. You rejected them. I sent you a vaccine. You rejected it. That's why you're dying."

You need to read my post again. I said I disbelieve "MOST" of what I hear and read. Because it has been my experience that the majority of what comes our way is said by people that have their own agenda, first and foremost, and they operate from that platform.
And God says "I gave you an intellect, you did not use it. Instead of using the intelligence I gave you, you let yourself be fooled by those who need to save their own face and are motivated by greed. That's why your dying"

Wyseguy 09-08-2021 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 2000567)
You need to read my post again. I said I disbelieve "MOST" of what I hear and read. Because it has been my experience that the majority of what comes our way is said by people that have their own agenda, first and foremost, and they operate from that platform.
And God says "I gave you an intellect, you did not use it. Instead of using the intelligence I gave you, you let yourself be fooled by those who need to save their own face and are motivated by greed. That's why your dying"

Absolutely amazed at how many people sit by and wait to be told what to think by "experts", instead of listening to experts on all sides (before there was censorship) and using your own intellect to come to a conclusion. Perhaps I should not be too amazed, how else would shows like The View and Don Lemon be so popular if people used their own brains.

Wyseguy 09-08-2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 2000522)
Agreed...except your last line. Trust me, he did a terrible thing that ended his career, but he did a wonderful job as gov during pandemic...ask any NY-er. Brought daily,important info to the table that ny-ers appreciated. And if people had taken their own loved ones back to their own homes- he wouldn't have the nursing home debacle....hey, at least he isn't killing our kids like fl's G.

OK, I am a New Yorker. I do not consider forcing covid infected people into Assisted living facilities with the most at risk to be a wonderful job. His decision caused many thousands of deaths. He then lied and created a cover up to try and keep his failure a secret. Such a wonderful leader? I think not.

graciegirl 09-08-2021 10:28 AM

Politics is basically a popularity contest. Politicians, most of them will mess with the truth at the very least.

Almost no politicians have the character of successful and good people who we know well who have the remarkable good sense to not be in any popularity contests.

But that is how we run this country.

And the onesided media holds the reporting of news by their vulnerable parts.

Now wait.

Wait.

Y'all know what will happen next.


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