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TooColdNJ 07-11-2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1801145)
George Floyd would still be alive to pass counterfeit bills if his mother would have ingrained in him like mine did me; If the teacher says it, do it, If the bible says it, do it, if me or your dad say it, do it and if a cop says stop, stop.

Totally disagree. Yes, we were taught that, but how many young kids have been verbally, physically, or sexually abused by teachers? By their priests? By those so-called authority figures?

All parents aren’t like yours or mine. Things aren’t always black and white... there are gray areas where those in authority push their limits. Just because a person of authority “says do it” doesn’t mean it’s always right or the best thing to do. For example, I have a cousin who was raised in a normal middle class family, just as I was. She was sexually abused (not raped) by her father. When she got the guts to tell her mother, her mother just blew it off with a stupid comment condoning it because it made her father happy. My aunt was controlled by this man as well. So... just do it? All that applies to is a NIKE commercial.

I’m not saying it’s right, and there would be A LOT less deaths if they don’t resist. This has gone on for a long time without being addressed at all. Many of the George Floyd’s in this country have witnessed and have experienced the abuse that does go on. Many others have experienced being apprehended for NO valid reason— innocent, but judged or accused because of the color of their skin.

IF these people came from homes that we did, and/or had parents that raised them properly, they wouldn’t have become criminals in the first place. Even upstanding, hard-working black people still find themselves in positions because of the racism that does exist. Have you seen the now infamous Karen memes? Never mind.

No, I wouldn’t run, but they wouldn’t be taking me in without an argument! There lies the problem— even opening their mouths to speak or defend themselves results in the “bad cops” using unnecessary force that escalates and sometimes results in injury or death. The offenders aren’t doing the right thing, but neither are the law enforcement officers. By the way, No one, NOT EVEN Joe Biden, will EVER DEFUND the police force, and FAKE NEWS is the 911 campaign message.

DecaturFargo 07-11-2020 01:44 PM

Guilty, guilty, guilty and we are a law enforcement family.

Kathi71 07-11-2020 01:44 PM

Did you see the same vieo the rest of the world did? George Floyd was MURDERED! Should be 1st degree not 2nd degree murder in my opionion. That officer had more than 8 minutes to form intent to kill.

roscoguy 07-11-2020 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1801634)
It is just one of very many possibilities

I know there must be others, but my imagination fails me. The non-MSM 'news' sources can probably provide MANY alternative theories. :loco:

roscoguy 07-11-2020 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1801488)
Might want to be more careful in the use of quotation marks for words that were never said. There is no doubt that Floyd resisted officer instructions verbally and physically. That doesn't mean the officers will be exonerated.

I quoted the linked article & used quotation marks for that reason. It was unclear where the words of Chief Arradondo ended in the transcription & narration started. It did turn out they were not his exact words.
Maybe there is no doubt to some that he resisted, definitely not to an extent that would justify an 8:46 neck hold.

manaboutown 07-11-2020 02:28 PM

[QUOTE=Byte1;180167
At least we know that Floyd's death will not be categorized as being COVID-19 related.[/QUOTE]

It has been a while and I do not want to go back and review what I read about Floyd. Indeed the last time I tried most of the sources I had previously found had been "disappeared". Anyway, I believe I read that when Floyd was leaning up against the wall prior to being restrained and walked to the police cruiser he was complaining he could not breath; and that the autopsy showed he had COVID-19.

Could it be his respiratory system was highly compromised by his preexisting condition so that the knee pressure to his neck did him in whereas that amount of pressure would not have killed a healthy Floyd? I realize a killer takes his victim as he finds him. Yelling boo into the ear of a person with advanced heart disease who suffers a heart attack and dies as a result in some situations could be considered committing homicide.

Beyond all that there were some highly charged personal issues between Floyd and the cop as they had both worked security at a club and according to witnesses did not get along well.

NFRicaS 07-11-2020 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ureout (Post 1801134)
I don't care how calm the times are or what George Floyd had done in the past ... Derek Chauvin is a bad cop... who the hell kneels on someones kneck for 8 minutes when they have the person handcuffed and under control ... he belongs in jail for the rest of his life IMO

I agree, that is murder plain and simple...

tvbound 07-11-2020 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TooColdNJ (Post 1801693)
Totally disagree. Yes, we were taught that, but how many young kids have been verbally, physically, or sexually abused by teachers? By their priests? By those so-called authority figures?

All parents aren’t like yours or mine. Things aren’t always black and white... there are gray areas where those in authority push their limits. Just because a person of authority “says do it” doesn’t mean it’s always right or the best thing to do. For example, I have a cousin who was raised in a normal middle class family, just as I was. She was sexually abused (not raped) by her father. When she got the guts to tell her mother, her mother just blew it off with a stupid comment condoning it because it made her father happy. My aunt was controlled by this man as well. So... just do it? All that applies to is a NIKE commercial.

I’m not saying it’s right, and there would be A LOT less deaths if they don’t resist. This has gone on for a long time without being addressed at all. Many of the George Floyd’s in this country have witnessed and have experienced the abuse that does go on. Many others have experienced being apprehended for NO valid reason— innocent, but judged or accused because of the color of their skin.

IF these people came from homes that we did, and/or had parents that raised them properly, they wouldn’t have become criminals in the first place. Even upstanding, hard-working black people still find themselves in positions because of the racism that does exist. Have you seen the now infamous Karen memes? Never mind.

No, I wouldn’t run, but they wouldn’t be taking me in without an argument! There lies the problem— even opening their mouths to speak or defend themselves results in the “bad cops” using unnecessary force that escalates and sometimes results in injury or death. The offenders aren’t doing the right thing, but neither are the law enforcement officers. By the way, No one, NOT EVEN Joe Biden, will EVER DEFUND the police force, and FAKE NEWS is the 911 campaign message.

An excellent post, with so much truth in it.

Robert James 07-11-2020 05:37 PM

Anybody who has had a heart attack will tell you this ---- "the first words out of my mouth were --- I CAN"T BREATHE" !!!!!

Gulfcoast 07-11-2020 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1801677)
My (naive) interpretation of video. One policeman kneeling on uncooperative person. Another policeman looking around as if to look around to see can anyone see them. Guy on the ground saying, “I can’t breathe”. Nothing changes. Later guy on ground calls softly, “mama”. Nothing changes. That’s what I saw.

From that short video it looked like murder.

I think their defense is going to be that George Floyd could talk, therefore he was breathing and the officers were not aware of the level of distress that he was in.

I think they'll get manslaughter. I think the intent to murder is going to be hard to prove. I also think that the fact that Floyd had a preexisting heart condition and drugs in his system will make it hard to get a murder conviction but we'll see. That one police officer, in particular, is not a sympathetic subject so if he gets over convicted I doubt anyone would care.

Pinball wizard 07-11-2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 1801496)
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed that’s why I guess I’m so confused. Many folks say that Chauvin should burn in hell for his negligence. Others say he was negligent in the course of his duty and unfortunately a person died but he should be exonerated. The reason I’m confused is because we’ve seen this before and the process was completely different. On July 18, 1969 in a small town in MA a young girl was in a car driven by a person that was allegedly drunk. The driver went off the road into a pond. The girl was submerged in water and therefore denied access to air for a lot longer than 9 minutes. The driver never attempted to rescue the girl, he simply got out of the car and left the scene. He never called for an ambulance as Chauvin did. The driver allegedly went home to sober up and met with others to formulate a plan to mitigate the damages. The driver did not return to the scene of the accident until the next morning. The girl was dead due to his negligence. Floyd was dead due to Chauvin’s negligence. Chauvin lost his job and has been charged with murder. The driver never lost his job and was never charged with murder. The driver was, however, punished by losing the possibility of a promotion. Maybe losing the possibility of a promotion for one person equated to a murder charge for another person. Again, I’m not the sharpest tool, so could someone explain why Chauvin is so guilty of a crime by many, yet that driver was so not guilty of a crime by many. Maybe I just don’t understand the meaning of negligence. Maybe the girl resisted the driver more violently than Floyd resisted Chauvin.

Good ol' Ted had better lawyers.

Gulfcoast 07-11-2020 05:59 PM

I would not want to be on that jury that is for darned sure.

TomPerrett 07-11-2020 06:09 PM

It’s not a good idea for a headline to say the MN police were exonerated when that was not the truth.
This country is divided enough. No one needs to throw fuel on the fire.

Stu from NYC 07-11-2020 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TomPerrett (Post 1801798)
It’s not a good idea for a headline to say the MN police were exonerated when that was not the truth.
This country is divided enough. No one needs to throw fuel on the fire.

I believe the cop is guilty but lets face it we do not have all the evidence the jury will have.

Bay Kid 07-12-2020 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1801475)
This is one of the goofiest, unfounded conspiracy theories yet in this entire episode. :MOJE_whot: :eek:

Thanks.

dewilson58 07-12-2020 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert James (Post 1801782)
Anybody who has had a heart attack will tell you this ---- "the first words out of my mouth were --- I CAN"T BREATHE" !!!!!


Fake news.:ohdear:

Luisa 07-12-2020 08:24 AM

Were not first responders called early on by the policemen because of a medical concern?


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