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Aloha1 06-08-2020 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Antique lady (Post 1779797)
Visit the FBI 2018 crime table. For murder they record the race of the victims and race of the offender.

For 2018 they show a total of 3,315 white murder victims. Race of offender in those murders, 2677 white, 514 African American, 61 other, 63 unknown.

For 2018 they show 2925 African American murder victims. Race of offenders in those murders 234 white, 2600 African American, 17 other, 74 unknown.

Assuming your numbers are correct, you've just verified that white on black murders are miniscule compared to black on black murders. So who exactly is the problem here?

jimjamuser 06-08-2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by regas56 (Post 1779812)
I have just spent time reading on the CDC and FBI homicide data base websites and I just do not see facts supporting systemic racism when it comes to murder statistics. Yes the # 1 cause of death in young black men ages 15-44 is murder while white men it is at # 4 but a whopping 94% of that murder is black on black and gang related AND 97% of the murder is committed in blue cities and has been since the 70'S.. I've lived my entire life in the suburbs of St Louis County where the Murder rate is around 3%, you can drive safely for hours North, South and West and that number doesn't change, HOWEVER, if I drive 15 minutes East that number explodes to 37%.. We St Louisans get so tired of hearing how we are the Murder Capital of the US when it's actually one little sliver of St Louis that makes up for 97% of that Murder where most of us avoid like the plague. St Louis City pop. 300,000 murder rate 37% St Louis County and surrounding areas population 2 MILLION murder rate 3%... Obviously poverty, gangs and drugs are a dangerous formula and IMHO until we get politics out of the equation these statistics will never change..

Would be fixed by homogeneous neighborhoods. Ghettos never improve society or GNP.

jimjamuser 06-08-2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1779863)
I completely agree with you. What these clowns are calling for is crazy. All the while ignoring how well organized the militants were and actually still are.

Strategically placing containers of bricks, rocks, plastic bottles filled with cement, to throw at the police. Many, law enforcement personnel were seriously injured.

And yes some have died.

It is madness. Defund the Police ? You people have no idea what the consequences would be. What on earth are you people thinking.

There are some who regularly post negative comments regarding law enforcement and for that you should be ashamed of yourselves.

I can't post here what I really want to say but needless to say it isn't pleasant !

True that rocks were strategically placed.

jimjamuser 06-08-2020 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1779925)
Slavery existed long before America was even discovered and Europeans began their trade. Slavery existed in the first civilizations like the Sumer in Mesopotamia (3500 BC)
Slavery has been inflicted by just about every race and religion on the planet. Africans, Caucasians, Asians, even American Natives had slaves. You'd be surprised that slavery still exists in several countries today, and they aren't run by white people.

You are making a blatant attempt to blame only whites for slavery. Do some more research.

Very correct.

kathy1516 06-08-2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1780010)
Just curious, but did you do this while also having...black skin?

Do you think your life would have been different at all...if you had?

Do you think any of us who were born white, really have a clue...what it's like to be black?

Other than reading about/talking to, those that are black...that is.




I believe where there’s a will, there’s a way. There are much more programs available for minorities than whites. Being black is no excuse for blaming others for all their problems. It’s learned multigenerational behavior. The cycle has to break. It’s time to take responsibility for oneself. It’s easier to sell drugs, steal, protest for equality then stay in school, work hard for higher education and pursue a better life. It’s up to each individual to accomplish this for themselves.

jimjamuser 06-08-2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1780027)
Attachment 84495

I am soooo ashamed :1rotfl:

Good Fl. color. Won't burn your hand. Maybe burn my wallet for the car?

ragtag22 06-08-2020 03:44 PM

Watch this video and see if you agree with this information. Are the Police Racist? | PragerU

GoodLife 06-08-2020 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1780071)
Good Fl. color. Won't burn your hand. Maybe burn my wallet for the car?

The trick is to buy one certified preowned. I paid $62k for that car when it was 2 years old with 17k miles on it. Not a scratch. Original new price was $119k. My warranty will be up soon, so will get something else.

anothersteve 06-08-2020 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ragtag22 (Post 1780077)
Watch this video and see if you agree with this information. Are the Police Racist? | PragerU

With pie charts and graphs and stuff.............just like school.
Thanks.
Steve

sloanst 06-08-2020 04:08 PM

I have not heard or read of one person, left or right, that isn't disgusted by the actions of all 4 of these police officers. Any attempt to paint an entire race or political faction otherwise is disingenuous at best and psychotic at worst.

Antique lady 06-08-2020 04:13 PM

What's happened in our country is not about blaming others. It is about accountability when murder is committed. It is about accountability when there are funding disparities in our nation's schools based on poverty, race and ethnicity. It is about accountability when polling places are removed from communities of color and moved further away. It is about accountability when calling to rent an apartment, being told it is available while on a cell walking to the door and when the landloard hangs up the phone as you end the call with them suddenly no availability. It is about showing up for an interview and dealing with the shocked face of HR that did not know based on your application that you were a person of color or sometimes based on name did not know you were a woman.

All of this is about holding institutions accountable so that all people can be treated fairly and all people will have the opportunities you speak of. NO there are not programs that hold people accountable. Have no idea what programs you are referring to.

Poverty knows no color. Poor whites, poor latinos, poor asians, poor African Americans face similar challenges with education, employment, food security and housing. I worry about what will happen in July when the freeze on evictions ends and jobs that were halted due to Covid 19 are no longer available with some employers. How will those formerly employed people live.... We are in a world of hurt as a nation. Time to stand together....

Stu from NYC 06-08-2020 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kathy1516 (Post 1779994)
I came from poorly educated parents. My father died young, my mother a widow taking care of three young kids ages 6mo to 11 years old. We grew up poor before the culture of handouts and we worked hard to help her out as soon as we were old enough. I put myself through college at night while I worked full time during the day. No advantages given to us.
I’m really tired of hearing about the disadvantaged minorities who grew up with uneducated parents and no opportunities.
This is bunk! Stay in school, stay away from drugs, stay away from crime, work hard, apply all the anger that’s displayed During protests towards self improvement rather than blaming whites for your situation. There are so many programs available to minorities, scholarships, federal grant money. Pull yourself up and make positive change in your own lives.

Very well said. Look at the Vietnamese who came here with nothing not speaking the language and how successful many are in one generation.

manaboutown 06-08-2020 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1780104)
Very well said. Look at the Vietnamese who came here with nothing not speaking the language and how successful many are in one generation.

I have seen several top drawer Vietnamese physicians and have had a Chinese woman dentist. My daughter has seen at least two Korean and a couple Vietnamese physicians.

Almost every group of immigrants who came into this country faced obstacles, language, prejudice, name calling and so on. Even incarceration for almost any perceived misbehavior. How did the "Paddy Wagon" get its name?

Remember years of indentured servitude for passage to America?

ColdNoMore 06-08-2020 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ragtag22 (Post 1780077)
Watch this video and see if you agree with this information. Are the Police Racist? | PragerU


PragurU?


Click Here

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Factual reporting=LOW

Overall, we rate PragerU Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda, the use of poor sources who have failed fact checks, and the publication of misleading information regarding immigration and climate change.



Manhattan Institute?


Click Here

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We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of transparency with funding, use of poor sources, and a failed fact check.


Facts Matter :ho:

ColdNoMore 06-08-2020 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Antique lady (Post 1780099)
What's happened in our country is not about blaming others. It is about accountability when murder is committed.

It is about accountability when there are funding disparities in our nation's schools based on poverty, race and ethnicity.

It is about accountability when polling places are removed from communities of color and moved further away.

It is about accountability when calling to rent an apartment, being told it is available while on a cell walking to the door and when the landloard hangs up the phone as you end the call with them suddenly no availability.

It is about showing up for an interview and dealing with the shocked face of HR that did not know based on your application that you were a person of color or sometimes based on name did not know you were a woman
.


All of this is about holding institutions accountable so that all people can be treated fairly and all people will have the opportunities you speak of. NO there are not programs that hold people accountable. Have no idea what programs you are referring to.

Poverty knows no color. Poor whites, poor latinos, poor asians, poor African Americans face similar challenges with education, employment, food security and housing. I worry about what will happen in July when the freeze on evictions ends and jobs that were halted due to Covid 19 are no longer available with some employers. How will those formerly employed people live.... We are in a world of hurt as a nation. Time to stand together....

:bigbow:

Eg_cruz 06-08-2020 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1779324)
1 George Floyd killed by Police during arrest 2020

9 Unarmed blacks killed by police 2019

18 People killed during George Floyd protests

19 Unarmed whites killed by police 2019

48 Police officers killed on duty 2019

59,777 White on Black violent acts committed 2018

547,948 Black on White violent acts committed 2018

I am not seeing police brutality as the problem here.

Yup

Eg_cruz 06-08-2020 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq (Post 1779489)
I did a Google search on this very subject and the stats do not add up. I researched it all ways and the black vs white doesn't add up that blacks are being singled out.

Even % wise all this is hyped up. I took the time to research this and it is false reporting.

The person who killed George Floyd has been arrested and so he should be, I have watched all of the videos.

However the aftermath played into the hands of BLM, and Antifa, who were waiting for the right opportunity and they did a masterful job in creating violence's.

So go ahead who fall for the lies do your homework like I did. Really really, sad what has happened.

It will unfortunately change our Country.

The organizers that I mentioned were just waiting for the opportunity and they pulled it off.

Better wake up.

There are well organized factions who want to bring the USA down.

Well said

roscoguy 06-08-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1779925)
Slavery existed long before America was even discovered and Europeans began their trade. Slavery existed in the first civilizations like the Sumer in Mesopotamia (3500 BC)
Slavery has been inflicted by just about every race and religion on the planet. Africans, Caucasians, Asians, even American Natives had slaves. You'd be surprised that slavery still exists in several countries today, and they aren't run by white people.

You are making a blatant attempt to blame only whites for slavery. Do some more research.

The post I was replying to referred to the history of slavery as relates to Europe & America. That it exists or existed before, after or anywhere else has nothing to do with that.
I'm not at all surprised that it still exits today.
I made no blatant attempt to blame whites for ALL slavery. Go back & reread the post I was responding to & then take mine more in context.
Done plenty of research on the subject I was actually referring to.

kathy1516 06-08-2020 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CatskillBill (Post 1780154)
Thank you Kathy for the best post of the year. I couldn't have said it any better.
My Mom raised 4 boys alone, and we all turned out fine because of a good moral fiber and working damn hard all our lives.
The incentive to work hard disappears as the government gives out more and more "Free Sh*t".

You grew up like I did CarSkillBill. No handouts and government freebies. We worked hard for what we had. We didn’t have it easy, but overcame the obstacles and made a productive life for ourselves. Too much government intervention promotes nothing but a culture of lazy dependence. The Vietnamese are a prime example of a hard working culture. The minorities should take note of cultures such as theirs.

Swoop 06-08-2020 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cleanwater (Post 1779930)
You miss the main point. This murder was more like a public Lynching than murder. It was done in the public in front of a crowd and took minutes to complete the killing. A public lynching in the year 2020 In the United States is pretty frightening.

Please refer me to the post where you express your outrage over Tony Timpa’s death. I must have missed it...

Swoop 06-08-2020 09:09 PM

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1780010]Just curious, but did you do this while also having...black skin?

Do you think your life would have been different at all...if you had?

Do you think any of us who were born white, really have a clue...what it's like to be black?

Other than reading about/talking to, those that are black...that is.


You seem to be the only one who knows what it’s like to be black and how black people think. You have already inferred in previous posts that blacks wish they were white... Many may feel that is a truly racist point of view...
I would be hard pressed to disagree with them...

ColdNoMore 06-09-2020 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1780248)
You seem to be the only one who knows what it’s like to be black and how black people think. You have already inferred in previous posts that blacks wish they were white...Wrong, I am far from "the only one." I am one of the very few here however, that are trying to point out how much harder it is in this country having black skin. If you ever had honest conversations with enough black people, you would hear the exact same thing. I was fortunate in having had worked with dozens of hard-working (a lot who were very religious) black men in my long career, so was able to converse and have honest conversations from some damn good men.

Have you ever even tried to do so?

What's more important here, is how many white's who are clueless (often purposely), want to say that having black skin makes no difference in the way you're treated in general, from the time you're born, to the type of education you get, to the issues you have to overcome to getting well-paid jobs.



Many may feel that is a truly racist point of view...And MANY know, in their hearts, that I am exactly right...and simply speaking the truth. Which then brings out the defensive nature of those who KNOW I'm speaking the truth and either try to justify it...or want to try and hide/deflect from it.

One only has to read posts from dozens of people on this site alone...to see the proof in my comments.



I would be hard pressed to disagree with them... I believe you on that.

Listen to this from Jane Elliott (it takes less than one minute) and then tell us...where is she wrong?



:ho:

Byte1 06-09-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1780104)
Very well said. Look at the Vietnamese who came here with nothing not speaking the language and how successful many are in one generation.

If you are speaking of the Vietnamese that were refugees in the 70's, point of interest is that they were given a gov grant of something like $24k (not sure of the exact amount)each to help establish themselves here. Not much by today's standards, but........ I totally agree with you, though. Many immigrants have taken advantage of our FREEDOM and opportunity to succeed in this great country. Those that are able and are not successful can only blame themselves. I am not talking about the distant past where some were kept out due to race, gender or even not being a member of a secret society/club. There is NO excuse today for those that are able.

OhioBuckeye 06-09-2020 09:48 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1779324)
1 George Floyd killed by Police during arrest 2020

9 Unarmed blacks killed by police 2019

18 People killed during George Floyd protests

19 Unarmed whites killed by police 2019

48 Police officers killed on duty 2019

59,777 White on Black violent acts committed 2018

547,948 Black on White violent acts committed 2018

I am not seeing police brutality as the problem here.

Thank you, I agree! No protest about the killings, fires & looting. I guess that overrides George’s death. Thanks again!

junction29 06-09-2020 10:39 AM

Well said 👍
 
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Originally Posted by kathy1516 (Post 1779994)
I came from poorly educated parents. My father died young, my mother a widow taking care of three young kids ages 6mo to 11 years old. We grew up poor before the culture of handouts and we worked hard to help her out as soon as we were old enough. I put myself through college at night while I worked full time during the day. No advantages given to us.
I’m really tired of hearing about the disadvantaged minorities who grew up with uneducated parents and no opportunities.
This is bunk! Stay in school, stay away from drugs, stay away from crime, work hard, apply all the anger that’s displayed During protests towards self improvement rather than blaming whites for your situation. There are so many programs available to minorities, scholarships, federal grant money. Pull yourself up and make positive change in your own lives.

Well said, rather than finding people to blame, work hard to make a good life for yourself and your family.
Just so you know, I went down the pit (coal mine) at fifteen, married and had a child at 19 and still married today 54 years later after a very successful business career.
How hard you work determines how successful you are.

golf4wendy 06-09-2020 12:20 PM

not to mention that george floyd was a lifetime criminal in and out of prision and at 1 point aimed a gun at a pregnant womans stomach as they ransacked her apartment to look for drugs and money. This is the example that our country is torn apart for. Not to take away from the bad cop but they raised $12 million on his behalf with a big funeral which the celebrities and left paid for meanwhile a retired black 70+ yr old cop has no recognition and was gunned down by a black man "only some black lives matter"

Bay Kid 06-10-2020 07:53 AM

He left Texas because he had 2 stints in prison against him. One more meant life in prison.

Byte1 06-11-2020 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1781190)
He left Texas because he had 2 stints in prison against him. One more meant life in prison.

I'm glad he left or otherwise the taxpayer would be paying his way for the rest of his life. Just looking at the positive aspect of the situation. :a040:

John41 06-21-2020 07:04 PM

never mind disbanding the police union, it’s the teachers union trying to ban charter schools where blacks can get a good education that should be disbanded


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