Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974809)

The Yankee players are tested for Covid a minimum of every other day, from the beginning of Spring training until the end of the post season.
Of the millions of those vaccinated, how many are tested at that frequency level - without any symptoms?
Which should make you wonder, how many breakout cases are never diagnosed?

Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1974346)

I am not vaccinated.
You can have my shot to donate to anyone you wish.
Getting or not getting the shot is my business, not yours.
Many vaccinated people get covid but that does not fit the narrative so, sssshhh.
Anyone who would believe the garbage coming from the government should have their head examined.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1974823)

I am sorry you are not vaccinated. I hope you are not old and more vulnerable to death from Covid-19. It is your business to be sure.

I am beginning to think that the Delta variant may be infecting some people who are vaccinated. It will be important to know if the vaccine protected them from getting a "full strength" case, WHEN THE FIGURES are run.

Will "they" find that the vaccine protected people from serious illness from the Delta Variant?

A lot of people are now having "cold" symptoms including us three.
Is that the Delta Variant? We are all vaccinated.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1974816)

Or it makes you wonder whether these are truly cases or if you look hard enough you can find whatever you want to find. This is the reason the CDC stopped counting positive test results and now are counting hospitalizations and deaths. Even in the trials the criteria was symptomatic illness, not look-until-you-find-something positive test results.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974836)

Do you really think the Yankees would quarantine multi million dollar ball players if they weren’t “truly” cases?!? 10 days off with pay for no reason?!? They are more throughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet.
And I didn’t have to “look-until-I-found-something”, it has been reported by every major news outlet in the US!

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974836)

Do you really think the Yankees would quarantine multi million dollar ball players if they weren’t “truly” cases?!? 10 days off with pay for no reason?!? They are more throughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet.
And I didn’t have to “look-until-I-found-something”, it has been reported by every major news outlet in the US!

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1974856)

Do I really think..... Yes. I have no doubt that the Yankees, Olympics, or any other organization would absolutely quarantine anyone who has a positive test. No question about it. What is in question is whether a positive test truly means a case.

And you misunderstood "look-until-you-find-domething." I wasn't referring to you personally, I was referring to the testing protocol. How many of those "cases" identified when "they are more thoroughly tested for Covid than most humans on the planet" were found in healthy people who showed no signs of infection? How many vaccinated folks walking around every day would be identified as a "case" if they had to undergo that level of testing? If you test enough then you are sure to find what you are looking for. The question should be, does a positive test indicate an infection to be concerned about or are the tests so sensitive that they are finding "cases" that aren't really cases at all?

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974871)

So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974871)

So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1974556)

Great advice! Maybe you should take it...

No one suggested that this news was the worst thing ever...

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1974873)

And sadly, either theory could be correct. But for now I'm more willing to believe the CDC is truthful than part of some conspiracy plot. But the final chapter is yet to be written

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974897)

I’m not suggesting a “conspiracy plot”. But I am suggesting that every other day testing will provide more accurate results than the collective results of a theoretical model. I would guess that only a very small percentage of the general public who have been vaccinated have be tested, post vaccination. If what we have been told is true, then the vast number of those vaccinated who acquire Covid would be not be symptomatic, and therefore would not require testing and would never know that they had Covid…

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1974899)

Sorry---that was someone else who was a conspiracy theorist. But this now begs the question----what does a positive test in a vaccinated individual really mean? The test may be picking up a leftover viral fragment which is known to happen. If the person is not "infected", then they are not spewing virus in a cloud around them, and therefore no threat to anyone, which in turn makes it ridiculous to quarantine them.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1974831)

Or a new variant yet to be identified? Neither this pandemic or the learning curve is over quite yet

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974871)

So you’re suggesting that the testing is flawed, because the results do not coincide with the information provided by the CDC?
What should be way more concerning is that those who received the vaccine are much more likely to become infected with Covid than we have been lead to believe.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1974856)

What is in question is whether a positive test truly means a case.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1974856)

How many vaccinated folks walking around every day would be identified as a "case" if they had to undergo that level of testing?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1974856)

The question should be, does a positive test indicate an infection to be concerned about or are the tests so sensitive that they are finding "cases" that aren't really cases at all?

Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974903)

So, if they are tested every other day, why would the leftover viral fragments not have triggered a positive in an earlier test? Why would six players test positive on the same day? And why would they get a conformation of the positive results in a subsequent test?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1974899)

Sorry---that was someone else who was a conspiracy theorist. But this now begs the question----what does a positive test in a vaccinated individual really mean? The test may be picking up a leftover viral fragment which is known to happen. If the person is not "infected", then they are not spewing virus in a cloud around them, and therefore no threat to anyone, which in turn makes it ridiculous to quarantine them.

Originally Posted by Burgy (Post 1974956)

And where does that info come from?

Originally Posted by bmit16 (Post 1974966)

There is never any mention of the millions of people who had covid and have the anti bodies. In fact, there have been 71 confirmed reinfections of these people, in contrast, over 100,000 people have contracted covid after being vaccinated and 1000 of them have died. Why does the government not put this vital information in their push to get people vaccinated? Perhaps we should follow the money to see who in Washington is benefiting financially from vaccinations. If you have not had covid and you have not been vaccinated, then you should probably consider a vaccination. But the people who have been confirmed to have had covid, should get the same pass as a vaccinated person who in fact is more vulnerable.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1974960)

Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
Inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug, Bench to Bedside vaccines and biologics consulting.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1974941)

It only means that they are carriers and asymptomatic as I have been shot down on before. This vaccine is only B cell immunity...not T cell....which is full immune. Also.....

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Originally Posted by bmit16 (Post 1974966)

There is never any mention of the millions of people who had covid and have the anti bodies. In fact, there have been 71 confirmed reinfections of these people, in contrast, over 100,000 people have contracted covid after being vaccinated and 1000 of them have died. Why does the government not put this vital information in their push to get people vaccinated? Perhaps we should follow the money to see who in Washington is benefiting financially from vaccinations. If you have not had covid and you have not been vaccinated, then you should probably consider a vaccination. But the people who have been confirmed to have had covid, should get the same pass as a vaccinated person who in fact is more vulnerable.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1974970)

100% agree and those that did take the jab end up destroying the natural immunities and replace with much weaker.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1974978)

Once again you are wrong. Whatever sources you are using are wrong. The mRNA vaccines have been shown to induce both B cell and T cell immunity.

Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines induce T-cell immunity against SARS-CoV-2).



Do you see that? The vaccine induced a more vigorous T cell response than having the disease produced? Of course it was Harvard and MIT so it is all part of the conspiracy of institutions of higher education in that liberal state of Massachusetts. You might not believe what they report.
Maybe you would believe a report from 2020 in the journal Nature from British researchers who reported about the AZ vaccine


You again are wrong and spreading dangerous misinformation. By the way, Dr. Malone certainly is not the inventor of mRNA vaccines. He was a participant, not the leader, in some studies in the 1990's on mRNA. He never produced a vaccine. The person credited with in fact doing the heavy lifting in promoting use of mRNA is Katalin Kariko. The only "authority" who credits Dr. Malone, is Dr. Malone on his own website. You can read his opinions on Epoch Times where he is a featured person. So Harvard, MIT, the journal Nature vs Epoch Times.

You still have not answered my query as to what kind of doctor drducat might be. Maybe one of the alternative fields? Maybe not even any training in medicine.. like Dr Dre or Dr J?

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1974978)

Once again you are wrong. Whatever sources you are using are wrong. The mRNA vaccines have been shown to induce both B cell and T cell immunity.

What do the authors advise?
“We demonstrate reduced T-cell responses in vaccinated individuals to SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern,” writes Maus and colleagues.

The researchers say the decrease in T-cell response to the variants was smaller than has been observed in antibody neutralization assays.

“However, it will be important to determine how T-cell immunity impacts aggregate immune response to the variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses and if this reduction translates to adverse clinical outcomes,” concludes the team.

Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines induce T-cell immunity against SARS-CoV-2).



Do you see that? The vaccine induced a more vigorous T cell response than having the disease produced? Of course it was Harvard and MIT so it is all part of the conspiracy of institutions of higher education in that liberal state of Massachusetts. You might not believe what they report.
Maybe you would believe a report from 2020 in the journal Nature from British researchers who reported about the AZ vaccine


You again are wrong and spreading dangerous misinformation. By the way, Dr. Malone certainly is not the inventor of mRNA vaccines. He was a participant, not the leader, in some studies in the 1990's on mRNA. He never produced a vaccine. The person credited with in fact doing the heavy lifting in promoting use of mRNA is Katalin Kariko. The only "authority" who credits Dr. Malone, is Dr. Malone on his own website. You can read his opinions on Epoch Times where he is a featured person. So Harvard, MIT, the journal Nature vs Epoch Times.

You still have not answered my query as to what kind of doctor drducat might be. Maybe one of the alternative fields? Maybe not even any training in medicine.. like Dr Dre or Dr J?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1974992)

That statement IS NOT true!

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1974997)

I suggest looking for newer info:bigbow:

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com (Post 1974895)

Who am I lashing out at? :-). I am simply just wondering why Yankees testing positive is such big news? You can stress about it - but, in the big picture of life - it really is a very, very, tiny piece of news - news that I guess would only be of interest to Yankee fans for some reason. If the members of my favorite sports team all tested positive - I’d say - ‘so what?’ - if they were experiencing health issues - then, I would hope they’d seek help and feel better soon (my sentiment would be the same if they experience any health issue - or personal tragedy)

I am going out to enjoy the day and spend time with friends and family - especially those that might need an extra smile or just need someone who can be there when they are experiencing an issue that, in my personal opinion - is more significant than stressing about the Yankees testing positive for Covid.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1974909)

Finally, a statement that I CAN agree with! Amazing!

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1975022)

Oh, no! It's the "Tri-Delt' variant!!! It causes everyone to look exactly the same!

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974329)

I do not fear Covid. I chose not to get a vaccine that hasn’t undergone any long term testing. For me, the statistical odds of dying from Covid, given my health are 4/100’s of 1%.
I simply used the incident with the Yankees to show that the number brake out cases among vaccinated people may be much higher than we were led to believe.

Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1974346)

I am not vaccinated.
You can have my shot to donate to anyone you wish.
Getting or not getting the shot is my business, not yours.
Many vaccinated people get covid but that does not fit the narrative so, sssshhh.
Anyone who would believe the garbage coming from the government should have their head examined.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1975050)

Anyone who believes the garbage coming from conspiracy theorists should have their head examined.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1974583)

All I am going to say....