Originally Posted by phylt (Post 2367792)

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Sorry - I am a Conservative and see the validity of the Second Amendment.

But - enough is enough - we MUST act in this country, despite the 'slippery slope'. We MUST hold parents responsible - especially in the case of the last two shootings (MI & GA). In MI the parents were convicted, and the recent GA case is pretty cut and dry. Parents MUST accept responsibility. Even for minor offenses such as robbery, driving, etc. The buck must stop somewhere. Kids AND parents must be RESPONSIBLE for their actions.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2367785)

That slippery slope ought to be very frightening.

1. If parents can be held responsible for the actions of their children when committing firearm violations then what else can they be held responsible for? If a child gets into a fight can the parents be charged with assault? If the 16 year old has an accident and someone is killed, can the parents be charged too? There should be consistency in holding parents accountable - watch out for unintended consequences.

2. If a parent comes into a gun store with their child to purchased a firearm and the child then uses it to commit a crime, can the store owner now be charged? He should have known the there was a chance the child would get their hands on the weapon that he provided.

3. If the theory is the parent should have reasonably expected the child might commit a crime if provided a weapon and is therefore responsible for providing the weapon then is the manufacturer any less responsible for producing and providing the #1 weapon used in these crimes?

Once the mob picks up the pitchforks they are hard to put down again.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2367737)

We need to approach this terrible problem from every angle and get local communities very much involved in preventing them. My Villages' former neighbors lost their 14 year old granddaughter in the Parkland shooting. They moved from the Villages but it is now like almost everyone knows someone who has loved ones involved in these tragedies.

We need to encourage our younger generation members to befriend the loners and misfits so that these kids do not resort to violence.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2367820)

I just heard on television that the judge told the shooter that he faced the death penalty or life in prison. Apparently the judge didn't know the law. He had to bring the shooter back into the courtroom and tell him that he was not facing the death penalty.

Judge Mingledorff initially told the suspected shooter that he could face the death penalty as a result of his actions. He later called Gray back into the court room to clarify that, as a minor, he is not eligible for the death penalty.

I would think a judge that is on national tv would know that in 2005 the Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 decision that people who are under 18 at the time of the crime can't be executed for their crimes.

https://cfsy.org/wp-content/uploads/...ns-Opinion.pdf

Not sure if the court need 87 pages to write the decision.

Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2367800)

As far as I can tell, they only go after the parents in a school shooting. Have they gone after parents when the kid kills someone while robbing a gas station or shoots another person on the street? Or just mugs someone?

Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 2367831)

Our whole legal system is up side down. Unbelievable. If he is tried as an adult I wonder if that still applies. I personally think It should!

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2367859)

Excellent point. Charging the parents of gangbangers would go a long way to reducing inner city violence.

Many cities have chosen the alternate option: charge and prosecute no one. How's that working?

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2367859)

Excellent point. Charging the parents of gangbangers would go a long way to reducing inner city violence.

Many cities have chosen the alternate option: charge and prosecute no one. How's that working?

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2367744)

I would just point out that thousands of murders with firearms are committed every day by teens, and the parents are almost never charged with any crime. There should be a more consistent application of the laws.

Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2367801)

Times have changed. My High School had a rifle team which practiced on site with live ammo.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2367774)

2nd Amendment says right to a well armed militia and not the individual's right to own military style weapons.