It would be nice if :

1. Msm didn't make SELECTIVE perps famous. No perps should be given any airtime.

2. MSM didn't educate people on how to become famous killers.

3. Msm would get it right on what weapons like the AR15 actually are. They miss classify and report constantly for the sole purpose of taking guns away from law abiding Constitutionally granted citizens.

this conservative agrees with you in this case. the kid's family are a pack of nut jobs, -Mom a loser & Dad clueless. the father knew of some report that the son made violent threats, yet STILL bought a gun for him. the whole thing is insane from start to finish, the Dad must not be right in the head to do something as foolish as he did :rant-rave:

we don't know anything yet, it's supposedly still under investigation-- give it time

Parents being held responsible and having to pay some consequences is one thing. I totally agree.

But a parent charged with 2nd degree murder?!? I’m not quite sure about that.

I knew that someone would say that but you are totally wrong. The problem these days is that parents are not raising their kids. The children of today are being raise by others since birth. It starts with Day Care some Mom and Dan can both work. then off to the Public schools which are mostly horrible. Modern day parents don’t spend much quality time with their kids. The 14 year old kid that did the shooting came from a messed up family with zero parenting skills. Sorry to tell you it is Not the Guns that are the problem it is society in general. We are living in troubled times. Hell even our government lies to us all the time. Go ask your kids how they are raising your grandchildren.

Not in all cases but in this particular case it might be justified! We only hear what the fake news tell us.

Oh boy, it's tin foil hat time. Transgender individuals represent less than 1 percent of perpetrators in all mass shootings over the past decade, and about 2 percent involved in school shootings specifically, according to The Gun Violence Archive (GVA).

So a kid who really hates his father can shoot up a school to get his father charged with murder?

School shootings have two common denominators, the semi automatic weapon designed to kill people, and the shooter being bullied in school.

Since the weapon is out there, maybe the solution is for parents to raise kids not to be bullies.

And having a "Meth Head" for a mother doesn't help.

It's clear that, just like the Crumbley's in Michigan, these parents did NOT "fail to recognize the signs of their child's mental health issues", they turned a blind eye to them. They should be held responsible. Unfortunate that today, hate and confusion drives negative actions not only of our children, but the adults as well. :sad:

The post seems to be focusing on the kid’s access to guns.

If you are determined to kill, you can find a way to do it.

The deadliest school attack in US did not involve guns.

If he used gasoline to start several fires, he probably could have killed more than 4 people. Going to a crowded football game with some gas could cause more deaths?

Or if he had gone to a local store and killed more people
would that make a difference?

Would people be as enraged if he had killed more people but hadn’t used an “assault” rifle?


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So, it is your contention that modern sporting rifles are to be considered "military style" weapons? Just as a point of reference, a single shot musket was once a "military style" weapon; as were single action revolvers, pump action shotguns, bolt action rifles, and just about every other firearm type in existence. Do you really want to open that can of worms?

Also, are you aware that more homicides are committed in the US each year with blunt objects than rifles of any type? This includes things like hammers, tire irons, and yes...even golf clubs. The taking of a human life by any means is horrific and tragic. But, we cannot go about banning inanimate objects simply because they were used to facilitate a crime. A fully loaded weapon can be laid upon a table and left there for a hundred years, and it will not hurt anyone until it is manipulated by a human being. Would you favor confiscation of your favorite Ping irons just because some fool used a 9-iron to kill his neighbor?

As is normal, this topic has deviated from its original premise. The issue of gun control is a hot button topic that will never be settled on this forum, but it is far from "settled science."

A question: You are a neighbor and the child Nextdoor takes your gun without your permission and commits a school shooting. Are you responsible?

There is no slippery slope. Children are allowed to have fists. 16-year-olds are allowed to drive cars. 16 year olds are not allowed to buy weapons.

In Florida:

A minor under 18 can possess a firearm at home if it is unloaded and they are participating in legal activities. These activities include hunting and sporting events under the supervision of a parent, guardian, or certified instructor.

So if the kid is NOT being supervised by a parent, guardian, or certified instructor, then the kid is NOT allowed to possess the firearm.

You also have to be 21 in order to buy one in Florida.

Your parents are responsible for you until you turn 18. If the kid got their gun from their home, either they had the supervision of their parent/guardian - in which case the parent/guardian is guilty of aiding and abetting the kid's crime - or they didn't have that supervision - in which case the parent is guilty of negligence.