Everyone has their "opinion" even if it might be distorted. Interesting how someone can take a very simple quote and bend it to fit their agenda. Since this thread is NOT about religion or the 2nd Amendment, I am not going to argue the Bible or how one allows their opinion to be presented as fact.
The subject is a reflection on the perpetrator's father being held responsible for his son's actions.
I believe (my humble opinion) that making the parent's responsible for the child's actions, merely tells the child that it's not his/her fault, but the parent's fault. If a child is charged with adult violations, ie. charges with murder and tried as an adult, then the parents should not be held responsible. Even if they ARE held responsible, it should be of a lesser violations, such as child neglect or maybe even contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Unless there is a conspiracy where the parent is involved in such heinous act perpetrated, the parent is not guilty of the principle charge, such as murder.

False Equivalence, a.k.a. Apples and Oranges
 

Geez. There is a pattern in this thread indicating that because this monstrous idiot of a father has been hauled in, some here are convinced parents could be held responsible for everything terrible their spawn does.

That is a ridiculous extrapolation, a false equivalency, apples to oranges.

Why?

In May of '23 the kid was accused of making threats to shoot up a school. The police followed through and talked to the kid and his father.

The kid lied and said he would never make such threats, even as a joke.

The father said he had hunting guns but they were kept locked up. Lots of people have locked up guns for hunting, so this was not an unusual statement. The kid lied and the father's answer was within what a responsible gun owner might own and have locked up. Both the father and the son must have been smooth talkers. The police had to accept the situation. They had done what they could. Parental rights and all that.

BUT that father knew his kid had issues. He and the meth head mother had wrecked their offspring. (I think I read that the kid changed schools after that -- but I need to fact-check myself on that part.)

THEN came Christmas '23. And what does this pos father give his mentally messed up, young teenage son? AN ASSAULT WEAPON! And that 14 year-old took his Christmas present and killed those innocent people.

Connect the dots.

The father in this case must be held accountable.

I don't know what the charges should be. But there needs to be some serious prison time for the father. Stupid denial and neglect and stoking the kid's mental issues by giving him a Christmas present designed for fast killing. Not exactly a Norman Rockwell Christmas card image is it.

As I read this thread and saw the weird false equivalence pattern emerging, I had to wonder where this apples to oranges leap is coming from. It smells like one of those diversionary tactics that are so prevalently spewed from sources that bank on the susceptibility of those who fall for constant and well-planned distraction from the real issues.

Why is it so easy for some people to check their critical thinking skills at the door to their screen of choice and get all caught up in ridiculous "Yeah, Buts" that make no sense? Nobody is going to hold all parents responsible for what their kids do. But this time, it is a clear connection to the murders.

Boomer

False Equivalence, a.k.a. Apples and Oranges
 

Geez. There is a pattern in this thread indicating that because this monstrous idiot of a father has been hauled in, some here are convinced parents could be held responsible for everything terrible their spawn does.

That is a ridiculous extrapolation, a false equivalency, apples to oranges.

Why?

In May of '23 the kid was accused of making threats to shoot up a school. The police followed through and talked to the kid and his father.

The kid lied and said he would never make such threats, even as a joke.

The father said he had hunting guns but they were kept locked up. Lots of people have locked up guns for hunting, so this was not an unusual statement. The kid lied and the father's answer was within what a responsible gun owner might own and have locked up. Both the father and the son must have been smooth talkers. The police had to accept the situation. They had done what they could. Parental rights and all that.

BUT that father knew his kid had issues. He and the meth head mother had wrecked their offspring. (I think I read that the kid changed schools after that -- but I need to fact-check myself on that part.)

THEN came Christmas '23. And what does this pos father give his mentally messed up son? AN ASSAULT WEAPON! And that 14 year-old took his Christmas present and killed those innocent people.

Connect the dots.

The father in this case must be held accountable.

I don't know what the charges should be. But there needs to be some serious prison time for the father. Stupid denial and neglect and stoking the kid's mental issues by giving him a Christmas present designed for fast killing. Not exactly a Norman Rockwell Christmas card image is it.

As I read this thread and saw the weird false equivalence pattern emerging, I had to wonder where this apples to oranges leap is coming from. It smells like one of those diversionary tactics that are so prevalently spewed from sources that bank on the susceptibility of those who fall for constant and well-planned distraction from the real issues.

Why is it so easy for some people to check their critical thinking skills at the door to their screen of choice and get all caught up in ridiculous "Yeah, Buts" that make no sense? Nobody is going to hold all parents responsible for what their kids do. But this time, it is a clear connection to the murders.

Boomer

CDC statistics for firearm deaths for <18 yo
 

From the CDC most recent data:

"The overall increase in U.S. gun deaths since the beginning of the pandemic includes an especially stark rise in such fatalities among children and teens under the age of 18. Gun deaths among children and teens rose 50% in just two years, from 1,732 in 2019 to 2,590 in 2021."

54% of overall US gun deaths are from suicide.

Here is the over incidence of shootings for US population:

U.S. gun suicide and gun murder rates reached near-record highs in 2021 | Pew Research Center

"Older children and teens are much more likely than younger kids to be killed in gun-related incidents. Those ages 12 to 17 accounted for 86% of all gun deaths among children and teens in 2021, while those 6 to 11 accounted for 7% of the total, as did those 5 and under. Still, there were 179 gun deaths among children ages 6 to 11 and 184 among those 5 and under in 2021."

(There is a correction acknowleged but it helps to know the statistics)

To avoid "Liar liar pants on fire" fact check, support this seemingly absurd statement with evidence.

If it’s your child, grandchild, or spouse that is murdered, your opinion is likely to change about owning military style weapons.

Many "gangbangers" don't know who their daddy is!

Off topic^ Reread the title of the post.

Also very shallow thinking. Spouse murdered in vehicular homicide - outlaw guns?, cars? Murdered by knife. guns or knifes? Murdered with single shot shotgun, military style weapons?

Weak conclusion due to shallow thought process.

That is a non sequitur as you failed to mention a murder weapon. In the proposed case what was used to commit the murder? It might or might not be a "military style" weapon whatever that is.

What if someone close to me was murdered by a vehicle, knife, ax, hammer, arrow from a bow or crossbow, a rock from a sling, suffocation with a plastic garbage bag or even a chainsaw? How would that change my opinion about owning one of them? It might or it might not. If a steak knife was used should I not use one to cut my steak?

AR-15s
 

An AR -15 although not fully automatic, should not be sold to civilians. It purpose is for mass killings. The manufacturers should be banned from selling weapons like these and banned from making anymore ammunition. There are plenty of other weapons to choose from
that will satisfy your rights . How much more slaughter of innocent children can you endure ? Only
My opinion as a former US Marine trained as a lethal tool .

School Buddies are a Good Source for Information
 

Too late! You've self started.

I agree and you can’t let a 14 year old
who murders in cold blood should never be let out in society to repeat .

The parent isn't being held responsible for the child's actions. The parent is being held responsible for their own actions, which created the opportunity for the child to commit the crime. The child is also being held responsible for his own actions and will be tried as an adult.

The child was 14 years old. He should not have had access to any firearm, and at age 14 his parents ARE responsible for their children, 24/7. Colin Grey, the father, KNOWINGLY allowed his son to possess a gun.

This is only the second time in the history of this country that a parent was charged in connection with a crime committed by their minor child.

Colt Gray, the kid, was charged with 4 counts of murder. Colin Gray, the father, was charged with involuntary manslaughter and 2nd degree murder. So yes - the father is being charged with lesser crimes. Dad put the gun in the kid's hand. The kid pulled the trigger. All is as it should be, with regards to who is being charged for what.

When it's your own grandchild who dies, would you prefer thoughts first, or prayers first? Or - will you want to punish the father who admitted to giving his 14-year-old kid a semi-automatic weapon AND the 14-year-old kid who chose to use it to kill your grandchild?

Daddy may be a gangsta also. Or not.